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04 Apr 2013, 7:51 pm

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There goes you Muslim. Different mountain, different God.

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What does that mean?



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04 Apr 2013, 9:28 pm

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This is definitely offensive.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ScBUVkvjFs[/youtube]Shown on PA TV only a few weeks ago.


Man, when a country is at war with another for such a long time, their inhabitants will call their enemies pigs and sons of pigs, whatever the country is. If we get ofended by these remarks, we don't understand war. It's true that islam's hate for jews is real, but give the palestinians a break. Lets be less demanding and, for now, expect them to stop firing rockets to Israel.


err...People sitting around saying to one another that X group their country has fought with is pigs are one thing. Even saying it on Facebook or some Internet forum -worse but not as bad.I think it's reasonable to be offended by a nation or would be nation saying on a public children's show that their enemies ( who they'd been at war with for ages) are sons of pigs, who raped women and uprooted olives and figs and should all be killed,to paraphrase the cute little girl, is something to be offended by. I'm sure if any other country in the world had a kids show featuring a little kid describing any race or religion in that way people would be offended and outraged.



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04 Apr 2013, 9:45 pm

May I remind you that in the US there was a TV show (glenn beck's) where he would frequently call the president (member of the opposing party) a stalinist and a nazi? If this kind of hate can happen between a large portion of countrymen without any justification, what kind of feelings arise in people towards those they are at war with?



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04 Apr 2013, 9:52 pm

ModusPonens wrote:
May I remind you that in the US there was a TV show (glenn beck's) where he would frequently call the president (member of the opposing party) a stalinist and a nazi? If this kind of hate can happen between a large portion of countrymen without any justification, what kind of feelings arise in people towards those they are at war with?


Glenn Beck is a buffoon.



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04 Apr 2013, 9:59 pm

ModusPonens wrote:
May I remind you that in the US there was a TV show (glenn beck's) where he would frequently call the president (member of the opposing party) a stalinist and a nazi? If this kind of hate can happen between a large portion of countrymen without any justification, what kind of feelings arise in people towards those they are at war with?


If in the States someone insulted a race or religion (even one the States were at war with-hypothetically) on a public children's show that would be unacceptable.



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05 Apr 2013, 8:59 pm

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That's interesting.

I can be considered left-winged, but I'm quite sick of this kind of approaches that are quite common in the left wing. Didn't know the psychological concept you're talking about, so I always defined it as 'emotional blindness'.

I'm quite inmune to it, something that I consider an aspie gift.

But I just always wondered: is this 'inmunity' a common trait for aspies or is it not?


Idk, but my guess is that there is no such imunity. Aspies have emotions and consciousness, so they have defense mechanisms like everyone else. Note that these emotions that are felt as unacceptable are not conscious, so you might have this defense mechanism in action without knowing. I know I have certain defense mechanisms that are active (because I do therapy) and I'm an aspie.


Up to what point?

I have emotions, of course, but I feel like they are in a different 'room' from reasoning. I don't feel like any emotion is unacceptable since I don't feel emotions as an inner part of me, but an attribute that I carry with me, so I don't feel identified with them, so none is unacceptable since they're outer attributes. Damn, difficult to explain.


A question to serve as an example: are you homophobic? You'll probably answer that you aren't. However, your mind automaticaly makes judgements (statistical, or learned) towards gay people. For example you might make the statistical judgement that enfeminate men are probably gay. Even though every one admits to make this mental judgement, most people don't consider themselves homophobic, which is a contradiction. Such are thoughts that are kept away from conscious thought.


Well, it depends on how you define homophobic. Of course, I have uncomfortable feelings towards two men kissing, for example, something that it's likely comming from my cultural heritage, but no matter where it comes from, it happens. Or, for example, it's true that I use to have more possitive feelings towards heterosexual men than towards homosexual men, not such a big difference but enough to be aware of it. If this enters in the homophobic definition (words are about how we define them) then I would be. I have no problem accepting it, however, I don't feel guilty for it. When it comes to make decissions, I need to be aware of my real feelings. The opposite would be unlogical. If those are my real feelings, why I should deny them? That doesn't make sense, since it only leads to have the wrong information in order to make decissions. Or to make the wrong decissions.


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05 Apr 2013, 9:16 pm

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Well, it depends on how you define homophobic. Of course, I have uncomfortable feelings towards two men kissing, for example, something that it's likely comming from my cultural heritage, but no matter where it comes from, it happens. Or, for example, it's true that I use to have more possitive feelings towards heterosexual men than towards homosexual men, not such a big difference but enough to be aware of it. If this enters in the homophobic definition (words are about how we define them) then I would be. I have no problem accepting it, however, I don't feel guilty for it. When it comes to make decissions, I need to be aware of my real feelings. The opposite would be unlogical. If those are my real feelings, why I should deny them? That doesn't make sense, since it only leads to have the wrong information in order to make decissions. Or to make the wrong decissions.


That's a very healthy atitude. However, whatever unacceptable feelings you are having (and I'm assuming you have them since almost nobody in the world has a perfect emotional life), you're not aware of them, even if that's ilogical. It's the way we work and I think that being an aspie doesn't change this.