MASSIVE rallies against the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

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04 Jul 2013, 1:20 am

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the Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood was obviously trying to take the total control of Egypt and change the country's character completely.


That's a secondary issue. The economy is the primary factor by far. There are even some critics who argue that Morsi was too cowardly on the Islamic front and buckled to pressure from Israel and the west when it came to implementing policy.

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It remains to be seen, however, if this development will convince the current supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood to abandon the Islamist agenda, to stand their ground, or to seek more extreme measures.


It's difficult to predict what the medium to long term outcome is for Egypt. Expect massive instability for the next few years as subsequent presidents will also be ousted when they fail to deliver.


I would reckon the chances of the Egyptians organizing themselves into a modern sustainable state is less than 1 in 4.

They have had a very bad track record. Their governments have been corrupt and incompetent and it is no wonder the people of Egypt are collectively tearing their hair out in frustration. The Israelis could tell them how to get their sh*t straight but the Egyptians will never take advice (good or bad) from Jews. It is against their nature.

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As if Israelis would accept advice from others about how to rule themselves, other than Jews.



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04 Jul 2013, 1:22 am

Arran wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
the Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood was obviously trying to take the total control of Egypt and change the country's character completely.


That's a secondary issue. The economy is the primary factor by far. There are even some critics who argue that Morsi was too cowardly on the Islamic front and buckled to pressure from Israel and the west when it came to implementing policy.

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It remains to be seen, however, if this development will convince the current supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood to abandon the Islamist agenda, to stand their ground, or to seek more extreme measures.


It's difficult to predict what the medium to long term outcome is for Egypt. Expect massive instability for the next few years as subsequent presidents will also be ousted when they fail to deliver.


Well, people cannot eat Sharia after all.



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04 Jul 2013, 1:42 am

Tbh boo the second picture in the topic post, is not tahrir its mursi's supporters lol..
People in egypt didn't want to give mursi a caliphate so went out to the street, sure its subverted democracy, however so did mursi by going back on his words.

The main problem we will have in this transitionary period is that islamism is like communism, its totally doomed to failure but the die hards never accept that belief.

And FYI posters saying "it took england 650 years" or "it took america the bloodiest civil war" are totally forgetting their was no comparable establishments at the time.. for egypt their are relatively similar democracies to copy, turkey WAS a model of a good one.. no longer though as we have seen there. So please don't assume it takes a nation hundreds of years to mimic a working democracy... East germany, near immeadiate.

i doubt these protesters were just secularists although it seemed to comprise the main part.. people really don't care who the dictator is as long as theirs food and people have things, one of the reason the west is so apathetic



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04 Jul 2013, 1:46 am

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Tbh boo the second picture in the topic post, is not tahrir its mursi's supporters lol..


Look closely.

It's the tahrir square = opposition.


http://www.dailynewsegypt.com/2013/07/0 ... s-demands/

Thousands of opponents of Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi pray during a protest calling for his ouster at Cairo’s landmark Tahrir Square on June 30, 2013.
(AFP Photo)



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04 Jul 2013, 1:49 am

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Tbh boo the second picture in the topic post, is not tahrir its mursi's supporters lol..


Look closely.

It's the tahrir square = opposition.


http://www.dailynewsegypt.com/2013/07/0 ... s-demands/

Thousands of opponents of Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi pray during a protest calling for his ouster at Cairo’s landmark Tahrir Square on June 30, 2013.
(AFP Photo)

hmm strange i had seen the same photo on twitter labbeled differently oh well.



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04 Jul 2013, 1:55 am

DefinitelyKmart wrote:
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Tbh boo the second picture in the topic post, is not tahrir its mursi's supporters lol..


Look closely.

It's the tahrir square = opposition.


http://www.dailynewsegypt.com/2013/07/0 ... s-demands/

Thousands of opponents of Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi pray during a protest calling for his ouster at Cairo’s landmark Tahrir Square on June 30, 2013.
(AFP Photo)

hmm strange i had seen the same photo on twitter labbeled differently oh well.


I bet it's some Ikhwan's account.



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04 Jul 2013, 1:58 am

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i doubt these protesters were just secularists although it seemed to comprise the main part.. people really don't care who the dictator is as long as theirs food and people have things, one of the reason the west is so apathetic


They have Salafists in the opponent lines too, the MB's ex ally, but those are way fewer than MB, alone they make no threat.
The rest are moderates, secularists, Christians and hungry mouths.



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04 Jul 2013, 2:03 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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i doubt these protesters were just secularists although it seemed to comprise the main part.. people really don't care who the dictator is as long as theirs food and people have things, one of the reason the west is so apathetic


They have Salafists in the opponent lines too, the MB's ex ally, but those are way fewer than MB, alone they make no threat.
The rest are moderates, secularists, Christians and hungry mouths.

i saw morsis rally on tv.. and it did seem hardline islamists..
All in all this will be a rough patch but it is a rough patch worth having for the best long term outcome.



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04 Jul 2013, 2:59 am

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In muslim countries you can't really 'rape' someone since it's not a crime when you marry your victim.


Marital rape wasn't even really a crime in Europe before the '90's.



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04 Jul 2013, 3:04 am

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http://www.brookings.edu/research/opinions/2013/07/03-politics-islam-egypt-momani

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“Islam is the solution!” To many Egyptians this is now an empty slogan and there is a demand for real policy ideas.


Touché!


This is good news. The news Muslim Brotherhood's downfall was also in the newspapers yesterday.



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04 Jul 2013, 3:15 am

Like an acquaintance of mine put it:

What we learned from Egypt: For 70 years, Arab People have been given 2 options to choose from:
1- Authoritarian stupid self-proclaimed left (Mubarak, Syrian Baath, Iraqi Baath, etc.)
2- Political Islam
Yesterday, Egyptian people sketched a third box saying: None Of The Above. And checked it.



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04 Jul 2013, 3:20 am

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Enc wrote:
In muslim countries you can't really 'rape' someone since it's not a crime when you marry your victim.


Marital rape wasn't even really a crime in Europe before the '90's.


Even in the US it wasn't a crime before 1976 and still treated less than a rape crime.



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04 Jul 2013, 3:35 am

Arran wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
the Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood was obviously trying to take the total control of Egypt and change the country's character completely.


That's a secondary issue. The economy is the primary factor by far. There are even some critics who argue that Morsi was too cowardly on the Islamic front and buckled to pressure from Israel and the west when it came to implementing policy.

GGPViper wrote:
It remains to be seen, however, if this development will convince the current supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood to abandon the Islamist agenda, to stand their ground, or to seek more extreme measures.


It's difficult to predict what the medium to long term outcome is for Egypt. Expect massive instability for the next few years as subsequent presidents will also be ousted when they fail to deliver.



Well, Morsi’s attendance of rally calling for ‘holy war’ in Syria worried the Egyptian army and a lot of Egyptians for understandable reasons, this would have unstabilized the country even further, the last thing Egypt needs now is getting involved in some chaotic war.

Also Morsi was trying to change the secular facet of the Army by nitpicking and 'filtering' specific personnel. He was trying to make it like the Iranian army model, a totally Islamist one (and that's why the 2009 protests were butchered in Iran), that also scared s**t both the actual army and people, Erdogan was using the same tactics lately.



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04 Jul 2013, 4:10 am

Good on the Egyptian people for getting rid of that cretin.

I hope that the new governing alliance can get some sort of control over the economy and, in particular, the tourism industry. Egypt needs tourists.



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04 Jul 2013, 5:18 am

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I hope that the new governing alliance can get some sort of control over the economy and, in particular, the tourism industry. Egypt needs tourists.


There was a TV article the other day interviewing one of the (more fanatical?) members of the Islamic Brotherhood. He was saying that the pyramids should be demolished because they were anti-islamic - rather like that huge ancient statue of the Buddha that was blown up in Afghanistan by the Taliban and various other historic sites demolished by these crazy people.


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04 Jul 2013, 7:27 am

Jono wrote:
Enc wrote:
In muslim countries you can't really 'rape' someone since it's not a crime when you marry your victim.


Marital rape wasn't even really a crime in Europe before the '90's.


So? Did I say Europe was brilliant orso? The biggest problem of marital rape is there is no or little evidence, and I think there is still no good registration for it. Same goes for beating your wife behind closed doors. It's sick but so hard to control. Only men can change this, to change their sick behaviour. Both in Arabia as in Europe and the rest of the world indeed.

However it's still allowed to marital rape or even rape in most muslim countries. That's just sick and has nothing to do with Europe at all. In fact, islam encourage to rape non muslim women so their children will be muslim. (in case they get pregnant) That's even more sick.