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11 Mar 2015, 8:12 pm

Well the honky-tonks in Texas were my natural second home
Where you tip your hats to the ladies and the rose of San Antone
I grew up on music that we called western swing
It don't matter who's in Austin,Bob Wills is still the king

Lord I can still remember,the way things were back then
In spite of all the hard times,I'd live it all again
To hear the Texas playboys and Tommy Duncan sing
Makes me proud to be from Texas where Bob Wills is still the king

You can hear the Grand Ol' Opry in Nashville Tennessee
It's the home of country music,on that we all agree
But when you cross that ol' Red River hoss that just don't mean a thing
Cause' once you're down in Texas,Bob Wills is still the king

Well if you ain't never been there then I guess you ain't been told
That you just can't live in Texas unless you got a lot of soul
It's the home of Willie Nelson,the home of western swing
He'll be the first to tell you,Bob Wills is still the king



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11 Mar 2015, 11:23 pm

Feyokien wrote:
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No one, sure there might be mega corp families that have lots of money but there is no king figure head of the United States that I pay homage to unless you count the president

You "pay homage" to the president? I see him (and all other presidents) merely as my employee or public servant.

It is telling that President Jefferson once said that, of all his titles, he was most proud of the title "public servant." He also said that "[w]hen a man assumes a public trust he should consider himself a public property."

The world would be a much better place if our public servants believed similarly.


Whoa lets slow it down. I meant I recognize that the president is the president. Should have worded that differently. I'm not an anarchist. Jefferson was by far my favorite president.


As far as favorite Presidents go, I'm a Lincoln man.


I would be if not for a single line, "If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it"
Not really a man of morals but a decent strategist who knew how to play the situation in his favor. The Emancipation proclamation only occurred to deter British support to the South. The war wasn't greatly about slavery until Lincoln highlighted it. It was a war against federal control from Washington in the affairs of states.


As for your first point - sure, Lincoln was more concerned about saving the union first and foremost. But even if Lincoln could have ended the war without abolishing slavery, that doesn't preclude the possibility that slavery couldn't have been tackled after.
As for the south rebelling over federal interference in state affairs - that is largely historical revisionism, with the exception to the fact that the south was dead certain Lincoln was going to take away their slaves. The irony is, it was their very rebellion that ultimately led to the end of slavery. And while slavery wasn't officially the war aim of the north at the beginning, it certainly was in the Confederacy. The Confederate states made it clear that they were rebelling for the preservation of white supremacy and the enslavement of blacks.
Regardless of Lincoln's official policies, we in fact know that Lincoln was personally very antislavery. And while he had considered recolonizing freed slaves either in Africa, or South America, he had grown as a leader and a human being while in office, till he concluded whites would have to learn to live with blacks. Proof of that lies in his final speech, in which he spoke of voting rights and citizenship for newly freed slaves - the same speech, which in fact cost him his life, as John Wilkes Boothe, who had been in the audience, swore he would kill Lincoln.


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16 Mar 2015, 5:41 pm

appletheclown wrote:
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The USA is a republic; it doesn't have a King.


When the vote is rigged and politicians are bought ad paid for by oligarchs, only the less astute will think they live in anything other than an oligarchy.

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Power is the most powerful illusion.


To the rich or to the rest of us?

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I should say pride, but power can change a person just as much.

Power can corrupt anyone whose morals are not strong enough not to abuse it without motive.
When a person abuses their power without motive, then they have no reason to have that power.

When a person is prideful, it can blind their morals directly by giving them a false sense of authority.

Best not let your pride or your power outstrip your morals, or you will not be yourself.


You will not know your limits and worth without testing yourself.

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17 Mar 2015, 2:29 am

Ideally, what should happen is a money cycle. In a perfect world, our money would just circulate and circulate so that it is used to meet all our needs but it doesn't work because people like to hoard it and that messes up the balance, the perfect model of money recycling, kind of like carbon or oxygen in the atmosphere. Money should do the same thing but it gets clogged up in bank accounts or leaves the cycle somehow and that creates problems and debts. If everyone just keep getting money, spending it, getting it, spending it, their entire lives, the cycle would keep going and it would be perfect.



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17 Mar 2015, 2:38 am

damn that infernal serpent! if he hadn't have meddled, things likely would still be peachy. he messed up the divine plan.



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17 Mar 2015, 2:42 am

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damn that infernal serpent! if he hadn't have meddled, things likely would still be peachy. he messed up the divine plan.


Yeah, but the Devil just put on a snake costume, and ever since, our slithering, legless brethren have been getting bad press. :lol:


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17 Mar 2015, 2:48 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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damn that infernal serpent! if he hadn't have meddled, things likely would still be peachy. he messed up the divine plan.


Yeah, but the Devil just put on a snake costume, and ever since, our slithering, legless brethren have been getting bad press. :lol:

that is why I said "infernal" serpent :) I believe "knowledge" is more than what humans were designed for handling en masse. humans have been winging it [and doing a mediocre job] ever since fall from grace.



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17 Mar 2015, 2:57 am

uhum, that old narcistic-parenting 'god' ? and then you're wondering why it's a such sh***y place around here ?



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17 Mar 2015, 2:59 am

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uhum, that old narcistic-parenting 'god' ? and then you're wondering why it's a such sh***y place around here ?

Wow you didn't get filtered.



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17 Mar 2015, 3:20 am

this almost ties in with tonight's "coast to coast" about AI and how mankind can't possibly win that battle. the AI entity may ultimately be the king of all unless we nip it in the bud somehow.



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17 Mar 2015, 7:03 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Ideally, what should happen is a money cycle. In a perfect world, our money would just circulate and circulate so that it is used to meet all our needs but it doesn't work because people like to hoard it and that messes up the balance, the perfect model of money recycling, kind of like carbon or oxygen in the atmosphere. Money should do the same thing but it gets clogged up in bank accounts or leaves the cycle somehow and that creates problems and debts. If everyone just keep getting money, spending it, getting it, spending it, their entire lives, the cycle would keep going and it would be perfect.


That wealth is in a bank is it not and the bank is doing the recycling. Right?

Or do you think that some rich goof is sitting in his own vault with the green?

https://www.google.ca/search?q=scrooge+ ... d=0CCcQsAQ

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17 Mar 2015, 7:04 am

auntblabby wrote:
damn that infernal serpent! if he hadn't have meddled, things likely would still be peachy. he messed up the divine plan.


Indeed. God sure screwed up in putting her on earth. What a dumb idiot.

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17 Mar 2015, 7:06 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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damn that infernal serpent! if he hadn't have meddled, things likely would still be peachy. he messed up the divine plan.


Yeah, but the Devil just put on a snake costume, and ever since, our slithering, legless brethren have been getting bad press. :lol:


Yes. By us concentrating on her, God, the real prick, gets the non-thinking sheep.

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17 Mar 2015, 7:10 am

auntblabby wrote:
this almost ties in with tonight's "coast to coast" about AI and how mankind can't possibly win that battle. the AI entity may ultimately be the king of all unless we nip it in the bud somehow.


What if pure unemotional logic is the better way? Should we not embrace ha better way?

To condemn it before even knowing what it is seems counter productive.

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17 Mar 2015, 1:07 pm

GnosticBishop wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
this almost ties in with tonight's "coast to coast" about AI and how mankind can't possibly win that battle. the AI entity may ultimately be the king of all unless we nip it in the bud somehow.


What if pure unemotional logic is the better way? Should we not embrace ha better way?To condemn it before even knowing what it is seems counter productive.

IMHO, not if it ends up marginalizing humanity out of existence.



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17 Mar 2015, 1:10 pm

Who is King of the USA?

Elvis Presley, of course!

Can't believe anyone's even asking that question. :lol: