Feyokien wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Feyokien wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Feyokien wrote:
No one, sure there might be mega corp families that have lots of money but there is no king figure head of the United States that I pay homage to unless you count the president
You "pay homage" to the president? I see him (and all other presidents) merely as my employee or public servant.
It is telling that President Jefferson once said that, of all his titles, he was most proud of the title "public servant." He also said that "[w]hen a man assumes a public trust he should consider himself a public property."
The world would be a much better place if our public servants believed similarly.
Whoa lets slow it down. I meant I recognize that the president is the president. Should have worded that differently. I'm not an anarchist. Jefferson was by far my favorite president.
As far as favorite Presidents go, I'm a Lincoln man.
I would be if not for a single line, "If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it"
Not really a man of morals but a decent strategist who knew how to play the situation in his favor. The Emancipation proclamation only occurred to deter British support to the South. The war wasn't greatly about slavery until Lincoln highlighted it. It was a war against federal control from Washington in the affairs of states.
As for your first point - sure, Lincoln was more concerned about saving the union first and foremost. But even if Lincoln could have ended the war without abolishing slavery, that doesn't preclude the possibility that slavery couldn't have been tackled after.
As for the south rebelling over federal interference in state affairs - that is largely historical revisionism, with the exception to the fact that the south was dead certain Lincoln was going to take away their slaves. The irony is, it was their very rebellion that ultimately led to the end of slavery. And while slavery wasn't officially the war aim of the north at the beginning, it certainly was in the Confederacy. The Confederate states made it clear that they were rebelling for the preservation of white supremacy and the enslavement of blacks.
Regardless of Lincoln's official policies, we in fact know that Lincoln was personally very antislavery. And while he had considered recolonizing freed slaves either in Africa, or South America, he had grown as a leader and a human being while in office, till he concluded whites would have to learn to live with blacks. Proof of that lies in his final speech, in which he spoke of voting rights and citizenship for newly freed slaves - the same speech, which in fact cost him his life, as John Wilkes Boothe, who had been in the audience, swore he would kill Lincoln.
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-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer