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28 Jun 2016, 9:56 pm

I recall the incident with the white immigrant was race based in Ferguson (die wh***y chants or similar). This was outside of the actual protests. Though, this is mostly a hate crime rather than political; similar to say a black man attacked in the same manner by white people. I guess political bias from the media could rile it up in some cases, but that's another matter entirely.

I'm not saying one side has dominion over political violence here, rather that both sides do it, and to solely go after one is wrong (this thread's header).



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28 Jun 2016, 11:47 pm

Dillogic wrote:
I recall the incident with the white immigrant was race based in Ferguson (die wh***y chants or similar). This was outside of the actual protests. Though, this is mostly a hate crime rather than political; similar to say a black man attacked in the same manner by white people. I guess political bias from the media could rile it up in some cases, but that's another matter entirely.

I'm not saying one side has dominion over political violence here, rather that both sides do it, and to solely go after one is wrong (this thread's header).


Yes, that is true; murder and assault are wrong, regardless of who does it.


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29 Jun 2016, 8:02 am

Should idiots whom have no idea what they're talking about get banned? How?



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29 Jun 2016, 8:05 am

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I'm frankly surprised there isn't more discussion about this topic in the UK, especially after Jo Cox was murdered... she is indeed a martyr if she died without repercussions (not just the jailing of the killer). These hate-filled bastards - thugs really if you watch any one of their videos - are currently celebrating because of brexit... but they should not be allowed to continue like this, surely. If they aren't stopped, at the very least, they'll end up murdering more and more and soon the UK is Pakistan where suddenly no one can state any political opinion (banning anything effectively runs into the same issue, but we're dealing with different degrees here... it's not like hate speech law isn't already there, but why isn't it enacted, anyway? Or, it may be, but only individually... as a group it continues as a hate machine, possibly even worse than the 'EDL').

But.... there is only a barely signed petition so far. -_-

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29 Jun 2016, 9:18 am

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I don't know how freedom-of-association laws work in the UK.

In America, though, I think groups that have unconstitutional views should not be allowed to participate in the political system, as this creates a conflict of interests.

Ironically, the constitution prohibits that.


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29 Jun 2016, 4:08 pm

Mootoo wrote:
I'm frankly surprised there isn't more discussion about this topic in the UK, especially after Jo Cox was murdered... she is indeed a martyr if she died without repercussions (not just the jailing of the killer). These hate-filled bastards - thugs really if you watch any one of their videos - are currently celebrating because of brexit... but they should not be allowed to continue like this, surely. If they aren't stopped, at the very least, they'll end up murdering more and more and soon the UK is Pakistan where suddenly no one can state any political opinion (banning anything effectively runs into the same issue, but we're dealing with different degrees here... it's not like hate speech law isn't already there, but why isn't it enacted, anyway? Or, it may be, but only individually... as a group it continues as a hate machine, possibly even worse than the 'EDL').

But.... there is only a barely signed petition so far. -_-


And mass murderers in parliament and in big corporate offices would have been celebrating if we'd stayed. Do you realise how much of a fascist you sound like?

You realise it has been suppression of genuine criticism of immigration that has helped these groups rise? As well as the intentional dumbing down of society.


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29 Jun 2016, 4:11 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Dillogic wrote:
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I'm sorry, I was talking about the United States, and in recent times.


Those are all in the US.

For recent times you'd have to scour news sites for individual hate crimes and terrorist incidents (individual hate crimes often go unreported nationally unless they're newsworthy for other reasons).

This past year seems to have been a mix of political violence and hate crimes from my memory (the same for last year too). Both sides in other words.


The only left wing violence I can recall was when some Trump fans got assaulted by an angry mob. When I hear of political violence, it's been committed by right wing fanatics like Dylan Roof, or that Jackhole who shot people he thought were Jewish (it turns out, they weren't).


Anti-Zionists get attacked too. George Galloway was beaten badly. Members of the ISM have been beaten to death or into a coma etc by Israeli soldiers just for protesting against Israel's sick ways.


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29 Jun 2016, 9:45 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Dillogic wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I'm sorry, I was talking about the United States, and in recent times.


Those are all in the US.

For recent times you'd have to scour news sites for individual hate crimes and terrorist incidents (individual hate crimes often go unreported nationally unless they're newsworthy for other reasons).

This past year seems to have been a mix of political violence and hate crimes from my memory (the same for last year too). Both sides in other words.


The only left wing violence I can recall was when some Trump fans got assaulted by an angry mob. When I hear of political violence, it's been committed by right wing fanatics like Dylan Roof, or that Jackhole who shot people he thought were Jewish (it turns out, they weren't).


Anti-Zionists get attacked too. George Galloway was beaten badly. Members of the ISM have been beaten to death or into a coma etc by Israeli soldiers just for protesting against Israel's sick ways.


Yes, I have heard of Anti-Zionists from time to time being assaulted. There is no defending that. But in all fairness, I doubt most left wing people would advocate such behavior.


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30 Jun 2016, 6:05 pm

I think the 'left' are just as bad with their aggressive mobs. It's almost worst as they are usually preaching "tolerance".


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01 Jul 2016, 12:24 pm

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I don't know how freedom-of-association laws work in the UK.

In America, though, I think groups that have unconstitutional views should not be allowed to participate in the political system, as this creates a conflict of interests.


Are you advocating that people should be denied their political rights because of their opinions????


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02 Jul 2016, 9:19 pm

Mootoo wrote:
I'm frankly surprised there isn't more discussion about this topic in the UK, especially after Jo Cox was murdered... she is indeed a martyr if she died without repercussions (not just the jailing of the killer). These hate-filled bastards - thugs really if you watch any one of their videos - are currently celebrating because of brexit... but they should not be allowed to continue like this, surely. If they aren't stopped, at the very least, they'll end up murdering more and more and soon the UK is Pakistan where suddenly no one can state any political opinion (banning anything effectively runs into the same issue, but we're dealing with different degrees here... it's not like hate speech law isn't already there, but why isn't it enacted, anyway? Or, it may be, but only individually... as a group it continues as a hate machine, possibly even worse than the 'EDL').

But.... there is only a barely signed petition so far. -_-


I don't know what the law is in the UK, but in the U.S. hate is legal as long as one is not fomenting a riot or organizing a lynching party. Speech a press, no mater how hateful is legal in the U.S. as long as it is peacible speech or writing.


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