Ethics of Neutering

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Pet livestock, working animals and male livestock (for the food industry) are commonly castrated to preserve the breeding selection, is that unethical?

I think its an owners responsibility to neuter, to manage the human induced populations of animals resulting from artificial selection, its not ethical to anthropomorphise pets without reality checking, it ignores what they really are, and devalues their natural way of being even further.

1. Yes.

2. The thing about the anthropomorphic fallacy is no one can agree were to draw the line when it comes to ethics. On the other extreme, anything goes because people assume animals are just meat machines. Of course I find that to be very wrong, but the people from that view animals are meat machines, they'd accuse you of anthropomorphizing pets.

If we castrate all men, it will stop all rape. So why do we not castrate all men, aren't we all, modern, civilized, enlightened human beings? Should we not ban Nature itself? Nature being, the source of all "evil"?

Oh yeah, there's a thing called life, liberty, and the pursuit of "happiness". Whoops.

What about the women who want to get pregnant? By castrating all men you're oppressing them.

Okay, so we don't castrate 1% of the men. It would be a world no different than the world we have today, where 1% of the male population gets all the wealth they want and never experiences sexual frustration, and says F U to everyone else.

Better yet, stop getting pets at all. The breeders will go out of business and the population of domesticated animals will become extinct. Problem solved.

I fail to see how you could possibly know whether dogs know that they have been neutered.

They don't need to be sterilized either. Nature always restores balance, although that balance would probably come sooner and more easily if humans got out of the way and re-introduced/stopped destroying the natural predators.

They know as do their peers. Dogs and cats lose status , sometimes many points worth when fixed.

Especially small cats, a Queen has kittens her social status is immediately bumped up. Neutered animals have smaller territories and have to fight more often and harder to keep them.

That aside; ethics and morality have to take a back seat to practical needs. This is why a tolerance for birth control and abortion in humans rose. I doubt if any animal was asked consent before hand and could answer, that many would say "yes, do it!"
My animals are not neutered. I have had no problems, I do worry while they are being babysat right now. Neither gives time of day to strangers since both have intense rank drive. The Cherokee cur defers to me in all things. The Shepherd may attempt a coup if she doesn't have my jaundiced eye glaring at her because her rank drive. She will be 5 soon. If I had spayed her it would not have changed her rank or prey drive. It would have just stopped the nervous periods annually.

Breeders formula also solves things . It is ..basically a morning after pill.

I prefer not to mess with their natural functions as much as I can, but would not be closed to neutering. My lesser quality purebreds I always sent off pre-neutered to new owners. Kept my bloodline reputation not having poorly bred litters coming from my bloodlines appearing in registrations.

Feral stray populations explode because interference, well meaning people feed them up and get them ripe to procreate.

*edit : invited my friend punctuation

pick up a book called:
"The Myth of Human Supremacy" by Derrick Jensen...

Read it, reread it, then read it again until it sinks right in. Stop living fiction and forcing your violence on everyone.

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Nope.

There's no guarantee that your pet will never come into contact with a member of the opposite sex.

I'll take neutering my pets as being more ethical than piles of dead animals that had to be euthanized in shelters.

No, it wouldn't.

And I'll continue to own pets until someone can articulate an intelligent, coherent argument for why I shouldn't, which no one in this thread has done.

It's not an either/or position.

Animals aren't just "meat machines," but they're not little people in fur suits either. If we really want to go down that rabbit hole, if it's "immoral" to sterilize pets, then it should also be "immoral" to step on insects, or to take antibiotics seeing as how we simply can't draw the line between humans and non-humans.

yes, it is morally wrong to intentionally end the life of another living being who's life you are not responsible for giving. It is traditionally known as "murder", technically. adopting strict "respect for the living" and "equal rights" practices in the nearest future is absolutely, fundamentally essential in preventing the extinction of the human species. But, economic and political GAMES are so much more important. "humans are the top of the food chain" Puke

That thinking has us at the bottom of the ethical totem pole; below maggots, pigs, cockroaches and everything else we make war on and kill ourselves (and children) in the process.
stupid humans.

you must be "very high functioning", you seem to be lesser gifted with "reality vision" and more susceptible to indoctrination than most on the spectrum I have encountered...

*edit, hey, I thought you were someone else I was ripping on. My mistake but your argument and reasoning IS foolish. Read "Myth of Human Supremacy" by Derrick Jensen if you want a breakdown on the scientific proof that contends starkly with your reasoning.

Interesting, that's the exact same reasoning all those nazi soldiers and doctors used to make themselves feel better about gassing all of those autistic children and sterilizing all of those "economically underprivileged" or "mentally/emotionally challenged" at the start of ww2; "the cleansing".

I love history. Especially history that helps us determine why the world sucks. Major events like ww2 kicking off are very important.
They teach you that propaganda even in college that hitler invading poland started ww2 but that is not true.

WW2 started as an economic rebound project. Nazi's started killing their own people for the economic benefit and justified it because of economic burdens they were experiencing. They told themselves all sorts of stupid things they couldn't confirm. Like, "unaware of the world" and "can't possibly have a quality life" and "idiots, without feeling or perception of reality" to feel like they didn't experience the suffering that these supreme f***s would feel if it were them.

That's as stupid as saying "my autistic child can't experience joy or reasoning". You are stupid if you believe that, get butthurt all you wish but doesn't change the truth of it...

Someone on this topic says "they are unaware that they are neutered". I say that person, "you are unaware that you are stupid" and generally morally decrepit.

I agree with the person who says "humans are animals, animals can't be owned"... I agree with that 100%, my being resonates with it... so what gives humans power over other animals including themselves? Their uncanny ability for conscience quell. Using pseudo logic to justify their disgusting actions because of their inflated, stupid ego. Is what it is.

*Answer is "violence" for those who can't "read between the lines".

Removing from any living being one of it's fundamental driving forces for living - reproduction - forcibly, even if a "doctor" (puke) does it, is an atrocious act of violence that cannot be taken back. It is a detestible thing and you are known in the spirit world for doing it. you and your children's children's children will be cursed for it, this is NATURE'S rule... you can't "invent" your way out of it. In fact, history clearly proves that every invention credited to civilization has brought us closer (rather than creating greater distance) to extinction. Ironically, this can be proven with the complications we have encountered since the standardizing of "modern medicine". For every unnatural act we do, there is a natural consequence... Also, for every natural act we do, there is a natural consequence... If we want our natural consequences to naturally be good, we stop competing with nature for godhood, otherwise, we all suffer and die miserably. is what it is.

you are human animal. you are not a god. you are no supreme being, you are human being. this is lower than maggot and cockroach, even. realize it. fix it.

My three dogs are my companions.They share my life,food,couch and bed.They get to run free in the woods and go to the creek daily.All are fixed becuse there isn't way I could find homes or afford all the puppies they would produce.Ive had dogs that were not fixed and even trying to keep them separate from the opposite sex didn't work out at times.They escaped or another dog got in.So for me it's more ethical to fix my girls than to haul off loads of puppies to a shelter.
Yeah the Nazis did lots of medical experiments,but they did more euthanizing.Thats what I want to prevent,unwanted pets being put down.
Show me proof I'm going to be cursed for it by nature.Nature has never cursed me,blesses me everyday I wake up.