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24 Jul 2017, 3:12 pm

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The left wing battle plan should be to re-elect Trump ...

He is working on the border adjustment tax, redoing NAFTA, limiting cheap skilled labor immigration, ended TPP.

He created "Made in America day" and a "Made in America week" ... that we should strive to make products in America



Made In America Day is a joke when you consider how his, and Ivanka's products are made in third world sweat shops.


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24 Jul 2017, 3:18 pm

Why isn't obvious to everyone that Trump is trying to create a personality cult for himself?



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24 Jul 2017, 3:24 pm

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Why isn't obvious to everyone that Trump is trying to create a personality cult for himself?



Trying? He already has! I've never seen such blind devotion among a President's followers. All of a sudden, all criticism of him is fake news dredged up by the "deep state." Alternative facts are suddenly acceptable in the minds of his followers, as illegal voters and inauguration attendees appear out of nowhere, despite the evidence to the contrary, just because Trump says so.


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24 Jul 2017, 7:41 pm

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The left has already screwed the pooch with their post-election tantrums alone to have a chance in 2020. People don't soon forget things like that...


What about these tantrums? :lol: :lol: :lol:


If we don't stop making fun of Donald Trump, he might start cutting himself. :lol:


That is the least of what I worry about.


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24 Jul 2017, 7:51 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
The left wing battle plan should be to re-elect Trump ...

He is working on the border adjustment tax, redoing NAFTA, limiting cheap skilled labor immigration, ended TPP.

He created "Made in America day" and a "Made in America week" ... that we should strive to make products in America



Made In America Day is a joke when you consider how his, and Ivanka's products are made in third world sweat shops.

Down right hypocritical is what it is.


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24 Jul 2017, 8:12 pm

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Hi all. This thread is for the liberals and lefties here. 2020 is fast approaching. Our old political strategies are no longer working. That's why Trump won.

People and organizations change their political strategies as time marches on. That's obvious. Trump won the Republican nomination because the old "compassionate conservative" strategy of George W. Bush is finally dead. Nobody under seventy is fooled by it anymore. That's why Trump used the "red pilled alpha male" strategy instead. That was a good strategy. Trump was aiming for younger right-wingers who take r/theredpill seriously ... and he hit the mark.

IF we (the left) want to keep up, we need to change our strategy too. Listen to me and listen good.

1. Go deeper than ordinary anti-capitalist rhetoric: We've been trying to sell universal health care to the American people for quite some time now. That's all fine and good ... but we need to go deeper. We need to break free of the corporate chains using crowdfunding. We must speak without a corporate filter. Talk about how lobbying has destroyed democracy. Talk about how the original anarchists and libertarians were actually socialists. Talk about how the wealthiest eight people on earth own half of the world's wealth. Corporate liberalism must die. The phony "liberalism" of Barack Obama, the Clintons and MSNBC must die. From now on, anyone who minimises the importance of corporatism and class antagonism is a traitor to the left.

2. Promote left unity: Remind communists and anarchists that we are all fighting against the same corporate elite. Don't lash out at the anarchists/communists unless they show hostility towards social democrats. The political left, in its current form, is too heavily fragmented. We don't need to all agree with one another on everything. We just need to create a temporary alliance which consists of every person who is a threat to corporate power.

Donald Trump managed to get Neo-Nazis to vote for the first time in their lives. Perhaps we could do the same thing with anarchists.

3. Make sure Bernie Sanders runs again in 2020: We need him. We so desperately need his wise words.

Overall, the left desperately needs a revival of class consciousness. The left, in its current form, has everything except class consciousness.

I'd like to end the post with a message to the political right.

Dear Political Right: By voting for Trump, you have made something very clear. You no longer want to play nice. You want to play hardball. You wanna play hardball? Fine. Two can play at that game. We'll be able to counter your macho bro army once we have the anarchists on our side. I accept your challenge. Game on.


Bernie is a good man, but he will be too old in 2020, assuming he lives that long. We need a younger Bernie

Also, avoid toxic candidate such as Hillary. If the Democrats had run Joe Biden we would not be having this conversation.


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24 Jul 2017, 9:34 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
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The left has already screwed the pooch with their post-election tantrums alone to have a chance in 2020. People don't soon forget things like that...


What about these tantrums? :lol: :lol: :lol:


If we don't stop making fun of Donald Trump, he might start cutting himself. :lol:

You're grasping at straws now.
Who gives a $hit about his tantrums over the TV? If course, this is assuming he actually does it and no, I didnt watch the whole video. How much property damage has this caused compared to the post election protests?

Cowboy up to the fact that Trump won and will be the President of The United States for 4-8 years. I voted for him more to stick it to liberals than any other reason and it seems to be working. :P


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24 Jul 2017, 9:34 pm

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Also, avoid toxic candidate such as Hillary. If the Democrats had run Joe Biden we would not be having this conversation.


It's way too bad that didn't happen.



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24 Jul 2017, 9:45 pm

Raptor wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
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The left has already screwed the pooch with their post-election tantrums alone to have a chance in 2020. People don't soon forget things like that...


What about these tantrums? :lol: :lol: :lol:


If we don't stop making fun of Donald Trump, he might start cutting himself. :lol:

You're grasping at straws now.
Who gives a $hit about his tantrums over the TV? If course, this is assuming he actually does it and no, I didnt watch the whole video. How much property damage has this caused compared to the post election protests?


It goes way beyond that. People are literally attacked for wearing anything that that's pro-Trump. If you want to get attacked, simply ware a cap that says Trump or make America great again or anything like that. If you want your car to get vandalized put a Trump bumper sticker on it.



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25 Jul 2017, 2:21 am

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Bernie is a good man, but he will be too old in 2020, assuming he lives that long. We need a younger Bernie.


That won't be hard. Bernie is already popular among youths.
Kyle Kulinski 2020! :D


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25 Jul 2017, 2:28 am

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Cowboy up to the fact that Trump won and will be the President of The United States for 4-8 years.


You've underestimated me again.

I'm glad that Trump will be president for 4-8 years. Remaking the Democratic Party in Bernie's image will take about that long.

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I voted for him more to stick it to liberals than any other reason and it seems to be working. :P


So ... you are primarily motivated by a desire for vengeance?

What about making the world a better place?

Of course, lots of "liberals" kinda did that too. For example, lots of women supported Hillary over Bernie just to spite the Men's Rights Movement.

See? Our system is screwed. People don't believe that they can vote to make the world a better place (which is mostly accurate) so they vote out of spite.


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25 Jul 2017, 3:21 pm

Thom Hartmann has some good things to say, as usual.


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25 Jul 2017, 5:01 pm

Good News
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Yes! It's working!

Remember: The billionaires and their political puppets will fight tooth and nail against Bernie, just like they did last time. The information war will be long and grueling, but it will ultimately pay off.

Continue to spread the word.
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25 Jul 2017, 5:38 pm

Remember when Hillary Clinton's "health was failing" during her campaign?

It would be nice if her health was actually failing. :lol: :lol: :lol: :skull:


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25 Jul 2017, 9:34 pm

EzraS wrote:
Raptor wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
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The left has already screwed the pooch with their post-election tantrums alone to have a chance in 2020. People don't soon forget things like that...


What about these tantrums? :lol: :lol: :lol:


If we don't stop making fun of Donald Trump, he might start cutting himself. :lol:

You're grasping at straws now.
Who gives a $hit about his tantrums over the TV? If course, this is assuming he actually does it and no, I didnt watch the whole video. How much property damage has this caused compared to the post election protests?


It goes way beyond that. People are literally attacked for wearing anything that that's pro-Trump. If you want to get attacked, simply ware a cap that says Trump or make America great again or anything like that. If you want your car to get vandalized put a Trump bumper sticker on it.

Personally, I've never worn anything that advertises a candidate or put political bumper stickers on my car. Seeing them has zero affect on me and I don't need to bolster my positions on anything. Having said that, it's very tempting to wear a Trump t-shirt just to bait an attack so I can justify f*cking someone up and make it look like their fault.


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25 Jul 2017, 9:43 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
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Cowboy up to the fact that Trump won and will be the President of The United States for 4-8 years.


You've underestimated me again.

I'm glad that Trump will be president for 4-8 years. Remaking the Democratic Party in Bernie's image will take about that long.

You're putting too much faith in an old fart that might keel over before 2020 or at least have no desire to run.

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I voted for him more to stick it to liberals than any other reason and it seems to be working. :P


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So ... you are primarily motivated by a desire for vengeance?

What about making the world a better place?

Of course, lots of "liberals" kinda did that too. For example, lots of women supported Hillary over Bernie just to spite the Men's Rights Movement.

See? Our system is screwed. People don't believe that they can vote to make the world a better place (which is mostly accurate) so they vote out of spite.

Making the world a better place by who's standards of better? You should know that wee are way too politically polarized for that. We'd first need to reset everyone's priorities with a global pandemic to reduce everyone's goals to mere survival.


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