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26 Sep 2019, 7:04 am

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In a human-driven extinction event, it is not only 'unnecessary species' which will be lost.


I understand. What are we essential to? Most don't even think life has meaning, so I don't understand what the universe would lose if we weren't here anymore.


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26 Sep 2019, 9:00 am

This whole business is really a classic example of a mass religious movement, complete with prophets, prophecies, fire and destruction from heaven, articles of faith, apocalypse, and everything else. Read up on things like the Millerite movement of the 1840s to understand it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millerism


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26 Sep 2019, 9:18 am

I don't know many of the examples you give, Darmok--I would recommend someone research them--but just at a glance, I know that we dealt with acid rain and the ozone layer, and the situation in those areas thus improved.


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26 Sep 2019, 9:23 am

The fact that science is self-correcting accounts for the others, Ben.


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26 Sep 2019, 2:55 pm

Inb4 thread is justly locked: the facts pepe is denying have been facts for 10 million years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropocene?wprov=sfla1


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26 Sep 2019, 5:26 pm

In Short Expressing Emotion Dark thru Light is a Best Way not to Blow up inside, slowly or fast.

Also a Sign of Emotional Maturity for Target Audiences too.

Keeping it all in is a Short-Cut to Premature Death sooner and sooner.

A Large Number of People in the World could use a lesson or two from Greta in how to do this;
rather than Being Robot Cold and 'Broke within as far as Spiritual Wealth' no Woo Just Great Mental Health!
Mental Health Means Expressing Emotions; not Cold Robot Style of Lost Islands of Spirit (Emotional) Growth.

The Problem comes when Emotions are Manufactured to Dominate And Control Others Trump Style;
When Used without Human Reasoning; the Result is Minions who Follow a Most Despicable Leader.

Obviously Greta did a fine Job of Staring Trump down as She is the Only one he is too afraid to Bully now; hehe.

Climate Change has Scientific Consensus Behind it; It's really not Rational to suggest that is not a real deal at all.

On the other hand, Misery Loves Company even when 1 out of 8 of the other Animal and Plant Species will Go Extinct likely by Human Hands in the Coming Decades. Real Human Empathy experienced and used for Love is Compassion for
all life; not just selfish rocks people come to see themselves Randomly in a Soup of no Meaning or Purpose.

Science Suggests this is A Highway to Real Human Hell; Science is Correct in practice of Human Wellbeing on this.

Greta is Making a Difference in the World; So Is Trump. Some Differences are good some are NOT.


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26 Sep 2019, 6:46 pm

cberg wrote:
Inb4 thread is justly locked: the facts pepe is denying have been facts for 10 million years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropocene?wprov=sfla1

What the hell are you talking about?
What facts am I denying?
Please explain how the link you provided relates to me.
And it would be helpful if you copy and paste my comment which inspired this criticism.

You really should be more clear when you post. 8O

BTW, It is interesting how you bypassed the extremely misogynistic comment by someone and focused your angst on me in your previous reply.
I'm getting the impression you don't like me very much. <chuckle>



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26 Sep 2019, 6:50 pm

My comment was not mysoggynistist.

I made a worldplay joke on her name.



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26 Sep 2019, 6:51 pm

I don't even know you. Throwing shade at climate change activism is like saying you've had enough clean air to breathe.


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26 Sep 2019, 6:56 pm

MrsPeel wrote:
But they're right.
The world might still be here in a century, but a lot of the wildlife will be :skull:
And life for a lot of people is going to get difficult.
We should be doing more.


The biggest CO2 emitter is China by far and is skirting around its eco-responsibilities through the erroneous claim that it is a developing nation.
It's the second biggest economy in the world.
Massive military build-up.
They are clearly "working" the system.
What are you going to do about that? :wink:

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If they are wrong, we save the planet. If the deniers are wrong, it's all lost.


You personally will be in a state of extinction in a 1,000 years.
That is a credible hypothesis.
You sprouting daisies out of your "bot bot" is not. :mrgreen:
I hope you can see where I am going with this. :wink:



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26 Sep 2019, 6:56 pm

I believe the emanations from PPR are classified as toxic in several countries.


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26 Sep 2019, 6:58 pm

cberg wrote:
I don't even know you. Throwing shade at climate change activism is like saying you've had enough clean air to breathe.


what?



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26 Sep 2019, 7:12 pm

Darmok wrote:
This whole business is really a classic example of a mass religious movement, complete with prophets, prophecies, fire and destruction from heaven, articles of faith, apocalypse, and everything else. Read up on things like the Millerite movement of the 1840s to understand it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millerism


Exploitation is an inherent characteristic of humanity/huwomanity.
What cha gunna do? <shrug>

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The Children's Crusade was a failed popular crusade by European Christians to regain the Holy Land from the Muslims, said to have taken place in 1212. The crusaders left areas of Northern France, led by Stephen of Cloyes, and Germany, led by Nicholas. The traditional narrative is likely conflated from some factual and mythical events which include the visions by a French boy and a German boy, an intention to peacefully convert Muslims in the Holy Land to Christianity, bands of children marching to Italy, and children being sold into slavery. Many children were tricked by merchants and sailed over to what they thought were the holy lands but, in reality, were slave markets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Crusade



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26 Sep 2019, 7:35 pm

I see this as the Liberal equivalent to the Christian Rapture.

The Christians (of which I am one) believe the end of the world is at hand, by God's power.
The Liberals (of which I am not) believe the end of the world is at hand, by man's power.
The only thing we do agree on is that it's gonna get warmer.

Each makes fun of the other because it never seems to happen.

In the 50's I think the world was supposed to be enveloped and destroyed by a blue mist.


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26 Sep 2019, 8:29 pm

BDavro wrote:
cberg wrote:
I don't even know you. Throwing shade at climate change activism is like saying you've had enough clean air to breathe.


what?

Ditto.
I have difficulty knowing where he is coming from and when I ask him to clarify, he chooses not to.
WTF? 8O



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27 Sep 2019, 3:24 am

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500 Prominent Scientists Warn U.N.: ‘There Is No Climate Emergency’

A group of scientists and professionals in climate and related fields sent a letter to the United Nations on Sept. 23 declaring that “there is no climate emergency.”

“The general-circulation models of climate on which international policy is at present founded are unfit for their purpose,” the letter, sent to Secretary-General António Guterres, states.

“Therefore, it is cruel as well as imprudent to advocate the squandering of trillions of dollars on the basis of results from such immature models.”

The letter was signed by [over 500] prominent scientists and professionals from related fields, including atmospheric physicist Richard Lindzen and applied geology professor Alberto Prestininzi.

The effort is led by professor Guus Berkhout, a Dutch engineer who served as professor of acoustics, geophysics, and innovation management at the Delft University of Technology.

Berkhout intends to release the full list of 500 signatories in Oslo on Oct. 18.

The letter states that current climate policies undermine the economic system and put lives at risk by denying countries affordable energy.

“We urge you to follow a climate policy based on sound science, realistic economics, and genuine concern for those harmed by costly but unnecessary attempts at mitigation,” the letter states.

The letter’s release coincided with the U.N. climate summit in New York. Exemplifying some of the alarmism that prompted the letter, teenage climate activist Greta Thunberg told the summit that the planet is in the beginning stage of “mass extinction.”

At a press briefing accompanying the letter, the scientists point out that the warming projected by the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) show temperature increases four times higher than the warming that was actually observed.

The IPCC has previously said its climate models can’t be used to accurately predict long-term changes in the climate.

“In sum, a strategy must recognize what is possible. In climate research and modeling, we should recognize that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible,” the IPCC’s 2018 report states.

The letter to the U.N. states that the Earth’s climate has always varied. The recent increase in global average temperature is no surprise, it says in the letter, considering that the Little Ice Age ended in 1850.

The letter also says that global warming hasn’t led to more natural disasters.

The Berkhout-led letter follows a petition by more than 90 Italian scientists, publicized in June, which challenges the assertion that humans cause global warming as a theory based on models that have failed to adequately predict climate changes.

“It is scientifically unrealistic to attribute to humans the responsibility for the warming observed from the past century to today,” the Italian petition states.

“The advanced alarmist forecasts, therefore, are not credible, since they are based on models whose results contradict the experimental data. All the evidence suggests that these models overestimate the [human] contribution and underestimate the natural climatic variability, especially that induced by the sun, the moon, and ocean oscillations.” https://climatechangedispatch.com/500-s ... emergency/