Conservatism is anti-science

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Here in Australia, we have "Medicare".
It isn't perfect but a hell of a lot better than what you guys have in America.
No political party wants to abolish the tax payer paid health system here.

Yes, there is a greater emphasis on incentivising people to find work under the conservative party.
But the left-wing party encouraged an attitude of entitlement, *imo*.

My attitude is:
Welfare is there for people in need,
It is not there to be exploited.

As I said,
Your context is not my context.

Perhaps I don't really understand what you mean by: "Welfare State".

Are you taking vitamin supplements?
You seem to be making a lot more sense these days.

Pepe,
A black-belt master in the back-handed compliment.

Sorry, I corrected my mistake. It's not accusation, it's a fact.
I'm authoritarian, and I feel little else than hatred.

It's because of mistreatment in school from teachers when I was young.
I hate society, I hate conservatives in charge of this behavior. I hate social-democrats as well, because the teachers in charge of this mistreatment were social-democrats and so was the government at the time.

That's how I became authoritarian. Perhaps even totalitarian. Society has deliberately made me so.

<under breath>
Yep,
He is definitely taking sumfink good.
Ginseng?

I find both conservatives and liberals ignore science when they want to. They also have blind faith in science when they want to. Usually it has to do with whether science confirms or confronts their beliefs.

Agree 100% with this. I fully support the right of people to have their own beliefs and completely oppose authoritarianism. I too feel like what thinkinginpictures is saying here will just be fuel for certain right-wingers here who imagine diabolical schemes hatched by the left.

Total agreement.
Reich-wingers are incapable of thinking in pictures, err, I mean thinking for themselves.

OOPS!
Almost forgot the contextual qualifier: <facetiousness>
<Phew>

Hmm.
I believe *some* conservatives and *some* liberals ignore science when they want to.

Sorry?
Oh, the "Some" qualifier was implied.
D'oh!
Silly me.

Yes, all those strangers are all plotting against you.

I do not understand what's wrong with having the opinion that banning certain political oppositions is a good idea.
For example, it feels intuitively right to me that a leftist wants to ban conservatives and vice versa.

Will anyone explain why that is wrong?

Leftists depend on welfare. That's why they're leftists.

Conservatives wants to abolish welfare, which is why a leftist like me gets threatened on the very thing my life depends on.

So I want to abolish conservatism, to survive in this world.

Over here in Oz,
Conservatives tend to embrace: "Live and let live",
And freedom of expression/speech/choice.
It is the left, here, which has traditionally been trying to enforce censorship and weaponised political correctness.

Admittedly, the current conservative government is trending towards totalitarianism in victimising whistleblowers and journalists in regards to freedom of information,
But I think there is a general backlash from the community at large regardless of political affiliations.
Hopefully, this taint of fascism will be short-lived and true conservative values will return, in this context.

An Anglosphere country without puritans?
Are you sure that's true of all Aussie conservatives, or just the ones you're more closely aligned with?
I've found when social conservatives express their form of 'political correctness' they insist it's decency or traditional values or some other euphemism.

Yeah, that is why the conservatives of Australia were fighting against Same Sex marriage, saying that them having the choice would destroy families and scar children, that was really great live and let live.

Or the conservatives that fight against minority religious groups like Muslims to practice their religion. Really tolerable live and let live as conservatives treat them like they are dangerous.

Or all the allowance of hate speech against non white people in general, such as immigrants. That Pauline Hanson is a bang up lady for railing against Asian people like they are some sort of invasion, so uber tolerant.

Cutting pensions to those that need it is also super live and let live. Just let them live under their own power, letting them die if they can't do so is just natural and tolerable.

Same thing about letting refugees rot away in detention facilities, they were only trying to have better lives and protect their families, now they have the freedom of being stuck in a fenced off facility like prisoners.

And give all the freedom to corporations to damage the environment at their leisure. As Scott Morison said recently, all the people trying to fight for greener programs are selfish for thinking about future generations, and should not be able to try to talk through their money of convincing companies to not support dirty industries. It is not censorship, those coal mines should be free to force banks to fund their operations.

Pepe, what you consider "live and let live" is oftentimes just an "ignore the issue until it goes away", it is no more tolerant as allowing people to actually be tolerant. A left point of censorship can be the likes of stopping dangerous language, such as hate speech, that is actually dangerous to certain people. Such as if you allowed people to shout all over TV and in public that all Muslim people are terrorists, do you really think that is not going to make someone beat up a random Muslim kid out of fear and anger? Do you think that allowing crappy people to say that gay people have sex with animals, and trans people will sneak into bathrooms to touch little girls will not make people unfairly hate LGBT and actually put LGBT people in more danger, whether mental health or physical harm?

The thing is that a great percentage of conservative people do not think outside of their bubble, they believe that their experience is the truth, and anything they don't understand is scary. Sure that appears to be freedom loving positive "live and let live" when they are just saying to go on with the status quo that you like, but what is that mean for issues you are not familiar with? It is the exact same attitude that would let sexist attitudes continue, because of course women cannot be doctors. As sure as you are of things now, people were sure of their conservative points of view in the past, even the ones now that would be seen as monstrous.

Oh so you want to allow liberal parties? Liberals are just centrists in disguise. That sort of central thinking will kill socialism and allow the conservatives to win!

/sarcasm

What about pro-science conservatives?

They believe in facts, not feelings!