Why do liberals think some Trump supporters are stupid?

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Because they are going against their own interests.

Not once did I suggest hitting kids. I can’t even kill bugs though if my wife wanted to spank our kids that’d be her choice as long as it’s nit too hard. I don’t see anything wrong with time outs, or taking away electronics. Hell I wouldn’t even give my kids a phone, they can get one when they 18 and have a job.

So how do you without punishment get kid to stop doing something bad?
I’ve seen kids be told to stop by parents only to keep doing and say “ what you going do about, nothing that's right”

Um hitting let’s aS a form of punishment isn’t illegal here. You can also pray them with water, use a high pitch sound(hurts their ears) shock them, use picky collars. Non of which is considered pet abuse.

Are you in the USA?

No, I'm not in the US.

Electric shock collars and hitting pets is also illegal here - I've trained my dogs (very large breed) without.

Also, taking away privileges, electronics or having "time outs" is not illegal here and I've never heard of it before.

Effective parenting is a long-term process based on consistency and putting A LOT of time and effort along the way: setting a good example yourself is also very, very important since a lot of people behave poorly but get angry when their kids copy their behaviours. Never acting in anger while communicating or setting limits and enforcing rules, making time and paying attention to what the actual problems the kids are struggling with so you can either guide or correct as necessary instead of jumping to punishment and being flexible as children are different and you'll need to try different things as you go.

Look, I never said it's easy, it's not. Due to growing up surrounded by poverty, violence, ignorance and plain nastiness myself, I was terrified of the possibility of passing that on to my kids, so I've put a lot of thought and effort into it. It's worth the investment if you really care both about their well-being and your future relationship with them. Many people end up "fine" in the sense that they stay out of jail, are capable of holding a job and having a family but still suffer significant consequences from past abuse, including the mental and emotional kind. I'm sure you understand since you've been suffering so much yourself due to the terrible bullying and abuse you've been subjected to

And I fully agree with you that plenty of people can't be bothered to make an effort, they either see their kids as perfect little angels no matter what they do or as property/objects meant to act in whatever way the parents' want. This is bad not only for individual families, but also affects the way society functions (the examples you gave earlier of maladjusted individuals). I'd like my children to be happy, emotionally healthy and fulfilled, not obedient little copies of myself or ruthless bullies only caring for themselves.

By American standards I'm probably "liberal" and I'm trying to tell you that we support such laws in an attempt to prevent long-term effects that can be crippling for adults and bad for society as a whole, not to infringe on anyone's rights or to just give up parenting our kids and just let them go wild.

There are a lot of books and studies available on the subject - both dealing with responsible parenting and the devastating effects physical, mental and emotional abuse can have on children if you want to understand such dynamics better.

And as I understand, the problems stemming from physical punishment are not strictly related to pain or danger of injury (I think most people that "spank" won't hit that hard), and are similar to other emotionally abusive methods like humiliation, screaming, insults, shaming, belittling etc.

Thank you, Bender. Your patience in explaining this is exemplary. And of course you are correct about your statements on how to raise children.

I may not remember correctly, but when I was in college I am pretty sure I learned that psychological studies showed that punishment does not produce the result wanted. As I recall, punishment at best teaches the children to not misbehave in the presence of the adults doing the punishing.

What did work is love, praise and setting examples. Speaking in a calm voice, letting children know you approve of them, that you love them no matter what. Young children more than anything else want a connection with their parents. Providing that is the best thing you can do.

If you wait until the teen years, you will have lost them. At the onset of puberty, peer approval becomes more important than parental approval.

In regards to the OP, I think that "stupid" is short hand for a welter of reasons. Many have already been expressed already in this thread.

The scariest one for me is the 1% who now feel they are morally justified in making money at any human cost.

Thank you, blaze, I've also have seen studies related to physical punishment not being effective long-term and also causing the opposite effect as in leading to violence and criminal behaviour. If sly is interested, I'm happy to participate in more depth if he starts a thread on the subject.