I fail to get why being against abortion makes one sexist
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Do you use contraception? that would resolve any dilemma over unwanted kids
Anymore we just do the pull out method, initially we used condoms but not usually now. That said we'd probably know if it didn't happen in time and then just get a morning after pill. But on the off chance we missed that somehow then we'd get an abortion.
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Denying an inalienable right is denying an inalienable right no matter what the argument used to justify it.
That argument actually contradicts the concept of inalienable rights since fundamental to that concept is that one's rights are only pursued insofar as they dont infringe on others' rights. From a certain angle abortion cant be called an inalienable right since in some contexts it infringes upon the right to life of the unborn fetus.
It's irrelevant, only one person owns the flesh being used to support the fetus and even a person wouldn't have the right to demand access to another's flesh, even if that access was required to sustain them.
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In salad's culture women don't necessarily get to decide that.
Yes in Palestinian society women have less rights than men which I condemn. However its deeply offensive and racist of you to always take low blows at me because of flaws in my family's culture and assume just because my family's culture has a view it necessarily reflects mine. I never explicitly condemned abortion on my thread but only stated that calling those who oppose abortion sexist is not necessarily correct. My views on abortion are my own and not the imposition of a culture I reject most of.
Is this "low blow" addressed to me or Fnord?
Probably you.
Assuming he must share his views with a demographic bloc he's a part of for the same rational wasn't really a fair assumption. Not every member of a culture accepts all of it's premises.
You'd feel the same if a stereotype of a demographic you're part of was used to explain why obviously you hold whatever opinion, when actually you know you reached it via some other reasoning.
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Yes he used the term "low blow" which I accept, I mean't to say that the wider Arab culture does not allow women to take control over their bodies. This is a fact, It would also apply to parts of South Asia, north and horn Africa as well.
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Yes he used the term "low blow" which I accept, I mean't to say that the wider Arab culture does not allow women to take control over their bodies. This is a fact, It would also apply to parts of South Asia, north and horn Africa as well.
Lots of patriarchal societies hold those views, and considering Anglo society isn't that much ahead of anyone else (at most a generation beyond what was inherent to Germanic societies) we shouldn't assume that people from other backgrounds hold the same views as their countrymen, especially if they've grown up outside of that place.
That's the same logic used to denigrate immigrants from those places as incompatible with Anglo societies and it ignore that freethinkers who question the basic premises of their society exist and that folks on the spectrum do tend to be prone towards questioning social norms.
I don't think it's unfair to point out that some cultures are even more patriarchal than Anglo culture, but it might be unfair to suggest people from those backgrounds must agree with what is common for people of their background.
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Yes he used the term "low blow" which I accept, I mean't to say that the wider Arab culture does not allow women to take control over their bodies. This is a fact, It would also apply to parts of South Asia, north and horn Africa as well.
Lots of patriarchal societies hold those views, and considering Anglo society isn't that much ahead of anyone else (at most a generation beyond what was inherent to Germanic societies) we shouldn't assume that people from other backgrounds hold the same views as their countrymen, especially if they've grown up outside of that place.
That's the same logic used to denigrate immigrants from those places as incompatible with Anglo societies and it ignore that freethinkers who question the basic premises of their society exist and that folks on the spectrum do tend to be prone towards questioning social norms.
I don't think it's unfair to point out that some cultures are even more patriarchal than Anglo culture, but it might be unfair to suggest people from those backgrounds must agree with what is common for people of their background.
I think what you are saying applied to the "Anglosphere" and European countries a couple of generations ago. Today women in Germanic countries are relatively free to do what they like to their bodies. Judging from the rise of p**** riot the old soviet girls are getting control of their bodies too.
Well, I do accept the main pro-life argument that a human fetus is a human being at the earliest stage of development.
I also accept that the very existence of this fetus happens at the expense of the mother's body.
No, I don't think being pro-life would automatically make one sexist - unless that person obstinately ignores the fact that pregnancy and birth are not exactly a walk in a park, to say the least.
A "pro-choicer" who gave his girlfriend a "choice": either abortion or single motherhood - would be, in my book, even more sexist.
Being responsible before anyone gets pregnant is absolutely welcome in people of all genders.
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Because forced birthers don't actually care about unborn babies, they just want to punish and control women.
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Do you use contraception? that would resolve any dilemma over unwanted kids
Not necessarily, for those don't always work. Plus women can get pregnant from being raped as well.
Those "forced-birthers" also care nothing for the child once it is born. They are also likely to favor capital punishment.
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There's the thing, I'm not and never was my mother's body, my body has an entire set of chromosomes hers did not and still does not.
I was unplanned, as well. Conceived by two people who were completely ill-equipped to be parents. Had I been aborted, I wouldn’t have been affected in any way; it would have happened before I even had a sense of consciousness or personhood.
However, if my teenage mother chose the option, she could have finished school, not been trapped in a horrific marriage, maybe could have later given birth to other children when she was older and hopefully in a stable relationship.
My father would have had one less person to abuse.
Sure, adoption was an option. But then I be who I am now, with the added emotional anguish of being given away by my birth mother.
Well as far as abortion being intentionally sexist towards women goes, let's say in the future they come out with technology for men to get pregnant and men to have babies. Sounds far fetched but let's say it happens, science and technology wise, hypothetically.
If a lot of countries in this future had laws that pregnant men couldn't get an abortion either, then would the idea of abortion still be considered sexist towards women, if it was illegal for pregnant men as well?
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If a lot of countries in this future had laws that pregnant men couldn't get an abortion either, then would the idea of abortion still be considered sexist towards women, if it was illegal for pregnant men as well?
Well that's not the way it works, in reality only women can get pregnant...of course if both could get pregnant sexism may not factor in as much. But that's not really relevant since it's not feasible.
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Oh but my point is, is that people only think of it as sexist, because the woman can get pregant and not the man. Where as I dont' think abortion is sexist, it's just matter of scientific happenstance, that only the woman can pregnant. So the sexism is unintional, because of the scientific happenstance of it, is what I meant.
