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The right was more interested in swatting random people at that time, if I recall correctly.
Somehow, trying to get people killed by the police seems more censorious to me.
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You must be the only one, considering whites are well-represented among the so-called woke left.
Come to think of it, that's kinda what makes the woke left so annoying. They're made up of a bunch of entitled white kids who think they're the only ones in the world with the right to pass judgememt over everyone else.
You are on to something. We have seen white people assuming what is offensive to people of color and trying to impose their "remedy" on them. The most infamous examples were "defund the police" and "Latinx". We have the group of people we are talking about, wrongly assuming that because blacks vote overwhelmingly for the Democrats and favor government spending, they are socially very progressive.
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The right was more interested in swatting random people at that time, if I recall correctly.
Somehow, trying to get people killed by the police seems more censorious to me.
How is saying you people censor too much because of ideological reasons or they fall into the category of “freedom of speech for me, not for thee” trying to get people killed by the police?
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The right was more interested in swatting random people at that time, if I recall correctly.
Somehow, trying to get people killed by the police seems more censorious to me.
How is saying you people censor too much because of ideological reasons or they fall into the category of “freedom of speech for me, not for thee” trying to get people killed by the police?
funeralxempire is referring to "swatting," about which see:
- Wikipedia
- FBI PSA: Threat Actors Use "Swatting" to Target Victims Nationwide
Swatting is the practice of using hoax bomb threats or other fake emergencies to get the cops to send a SWAT team to someone's house/apartment or workplace, thereby endangering (or at least freaking out) the people living or working there.
Back in the late 2010's, I recall reading some news stories about right wing extremists doing this to some left-leaning online personalities, including at least one transgender YouTuber. Also I recall reading stories about stalkers doing this to random women and bragging about it in misogynistic "incel" forums.
More recently, quite a few politicians in both major parties have been targeted: Dozens of swatting calls target members of Congress and candidates on campaign trail, Feb 1, 2024. Also, quite a few schools have been targeted with fake active shooter incidents, according to ICYMI: Kustoff Op-Ed: Swatting: A frightening hoax demanding serious attention.
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This is an example of the "woke right" in action. The aforementioned TV taboos were from the 1950s-60s, but that's what today's conservatives want a return to, both on- and off-screen.
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Commentary Magazine is paywalled but allows a few free reads
Josh Appel is a policy analyst at the Manhattan Institute, where he focuses on defending Western values, countering radical ideologies, and strengthening the cultural and moral foundations of American life. His work explores the intersection of tradition and modernity, the moral underpinnings of free societies, and the necessity of cultural confidence in sustaining a flourishing future.
The Evil Idea That Has Taken Over the Woke Right - The coming of ‘critical religion theory’
At the time, it seemed as though this was just an isolated discussion about incorrect history, thoroughly debunked by historians. But soon, what started as a historical debate became a movement itself. Podcasters began relitigating Jewish history, Zionism, 9/11, the Iraq War, drug crises, and the moon landing.
Since then, writers and thinkers have been trying to understand this phenomenon, with many theories being offered. For some, those on the “woke right” are staunch isolationists, born in the post-Iraq world, and they’ve gone too far, with theories of neocons used to bludgeon any desire for intervention, no matter how small. A more cynical read is that the true motivation is profit, and the most profitable tactic is by way of incendiary claims sure to go viral. A third possibility is that these actors have always had antiestablishment skepticism, and it is President Trump who has changed course.
However, the evidence suggests that the new right-wing conspiracy culture is more than just anti-institutional—it is a new adaptation of an intellectual trend that has dominated the left for two generations. That trend is “critical theory”—the study of the supposedly hidden systems of power and oppression that shape society and must be exposed before being dismantled. Critical theory has found its most salient and powerful expression in the triumph of critical race theory, which posits that America was born in original sin in 1619 and still functions as a machine to suppress black people whose presence in the United States was a crime to begin with and whose problems are the result of a centuries-long criminal conspiracy against them.
The woke right has adapted this and created what I call critical religion theory. It holds that a small elite has hijacked Western civilization and actively used its power to manipulate the world against religion. For these thinkers, the danger isn’t the policy, but that the policy reflects an anti-religious force subverting their worldview, and the world itself, behind the scenes. This movement sees power as illegitimate and influence as suspect. Those in “power”—by which they mean having wealth and success—are clearly part of a group trying to influence the masses. The tools of subversion are money, drugs, movies, devil worship (literally), and sexual blackmail. If you disagree, it’s because you are in on it, too.
What appears to be random conspiracy theorizing of disparate topics is, in fact, a coherent theology that views secular power as inherently anti-Christian and positions authoritarian figures like Hitler as preferable to modern liberal elites. In an article for the Free Press, Rebeccah Heinrichs termed this “the 1939 Project,” a parallel to the left’s 1619 Project. But the analysis needs to be taken a step further. The 1939 Project isn’t just an attempt to sanitize Hitler—it’s about viewing the entire world through a “critical religion” lens.
Classifying the woke right as “isolationist” or “anti-Semitic” is unintelligible when considering the evidence. From a cursory view of the past two months of Tucker Carlson episodes, you will find far more wide-ranging topics: the true history of the Jeffrey Epstein “cover-up,” an interview with the president of Iran, predicting World War III if the U.S. strikes Iran, an interview with George Santos about the corruption of Congress, how U.S. politicians run a drug empire with the Chinese mafia, who really killed JFK, who really did 9/11, AIPAC, secret underground CIA bunkers, a top-secret Area 51 helicopter, how vaccines are linked to autism, the dark truth about SSRIs, MKUltra, how Big Pharma manufactured the opioid crisis, and WWII and Hitler revisionism. Looking at others in the same field, such as Candace Owens or Alex Jones, will yield similar results. To reduce such incongruent topics to “skepticism” or “contrarianism” misses the point. It doesn’t explain why a commentator who considers himself “America First” went on a tour of Russia and had softball interviews with leaders of Qatar and Iran, praising the authoritarian regimes for their success and cleanliness.
The most notable moment came in Carlson’s interview with Ted Cruz. When Carlson was describing his opposition toward the Iraq War, he said that invading Iraq had reminded him of “Kaiser Wilhelm in 1914 saying ‘my men will be back by the time the leaves turn,’ and of course that destroyed Christian Europe” (my emphasis). According to Carlson, the cost of World War I was not soldiers or economics, but “the destruction of Christian Europe.” Carlson didn’t mention that the French Revolution, the Enlightenment, the Scientific Revolution, and Secular Nationalism had all played a far greater role in destroying Christian Europe. He didn’t because those ideas and the events that stemmed from them were organic and uncoordinated. Instead, Carlson distorts history to pursue a particular worldview about undercover manipulation.
After this, it was impossible to find an argument, debate, or podcast in which some aspect of critical religion theory was not present. For example, the CRT isolationist stance is not about the value proposition of intervention; instead, the problem with funding Israel is, as Jack Posobiec posted, that in every single modern conflict, “Christians were killed en masse.” Similarly, after secondary Israeli shrapnel accidentally hit a church in Gaza, Candace Owens responded that destroying churches was “always part of the plan.” She added that every single one of Netanyahu’s wars “ends with the mass slaughter of Christians.” Self-described comedian Dave Smith tweeted just a year earlier that the reason Israel had wanted the removal of the horrifically brutal Assad regime is that “in Syria, [Assad] protected Christians, so Obama, Israel, and Saudi Arabia armed” ISIS to overthrow him.
The same phenomenon is present when looking at the Ukraine war. Just take the titles of Carlson’s most recent episodes on the topic as proof: “Kamikaze Drones & Attacks on Christians” and “Zelensky’s Mission to End Christianity in Ukraine and Why America Is Still Funding it.”
Looking at history through a CRT lens makes Hitler—and WWII revisionism more broadly—central to the woke-right project. While many in the past venerated Hitler for his Jew-hatred, the current trend is more interested in seeing him as an expression of religious nationalism in the face of the post–World War I secularization. For example, according to Dan Bilzerian, Hitler “was trying to encourage community… family values.” Darryl Cooper put two images side by side in an X post: on the right was a picture of trans activists reenacting the Last Supper at last summer’s Olympics. On the left was a photo of Hitler and his supporters. The caption read: “The picture on the left was infinitely preferable in virtually every single way than the one on the right.” In a different post, someone asked Cooper whether he would rather the current outcome of World War II or the alternative, Nazi Europe, to which Cooper responded: “I can’t think of anything worse happening than what did happen.”
“What did happen” is the main concern of CRT. Its adherents believe that the postwar order ruined whatever little hope existed for a strong religious nation and that the ruination has been promulgated by coordinated elite manipulation behind the scenes.
This echoes the sentiment of unapologetic Christian nationalist Joel Webbon, who has said that there were “1,500 years of Christendom and then since WWII, we allegedly won and yet all of the West looks like it lost.” For this reason, downplaying the atrocities of World War II goes hand in hand with critical religious theory.
This also helps explains why the woke right doesn’t talk only about foreign policy or history but seamlessly weaves other topics into their global tapestry. In critical religion theory, the conspiracists view vaccines and antidepressants as means of control to subdue the masses for a secular bidding. “They” manufactured an opioid crisis to maintain profit and keep the people addicted to mind-control methods. The moon landing was a fake not because of mistrust in government; no, it came about because Jack Parson, a NASA rocket scientist during the Apollo years, was a devoted disciple of the occultist magician Aleister Crowley (which he actually was). Parson is a perfect symbol: the scientist-priest of a secular shadow cult that fused sex, ritual, and scientific power to, according to them, destroy the Christian world.Furthermore, modern psychology, too, was just Freud’s project of sexualizing the world through Kabbalah, the study of which they cast as a satanic, pedophilic cult. Additionally, the advent of digital pornography was for the nefarious purpose of “destroying Christianity.” In this world, Israel is cast as a state built to harbor pedophiles and engage in satanic rituals.
It isn’t surprising then that this worldview often rubs against the most antiquated forms of anti-Semitism. When the theory suggests a secret elite controlling the world to destroy traditional religion, the eternal scapegoat is as good a candidate as any. In this theory of everything, is it any shock that Jeffrey Epstein—rich, powerful, sexually malignant, and with a Jewish name—is the most important story?
It also makes sense, then, when this woke right overlaps with the woke left. Both see the world categorized by victims and victimizers, with power being the determinant of evil. This is why someone like Candace Owens finds common cause with notable far leftists Norman Finkelstein and Briahna Joy Gray, just as one example of many.
This isn’t white supremacy. It’s exactly what woke was. It’s the idea that there are oppressed people being kept down by an oppressor responsible for all the world’s problems. In a direct parallel to woke leftism but with interchanged words, as early as 2022, Georgian Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene said, “We should be Christian nationalists” in order to solve the problem of crime, school shootings, and “sexual immorality” in America. Critical race theory and critical religious theory are the same, with different flavorings.
What is the story of America? Is it a nation hijacked by anti-religious elites manipulating events from the shadows? Or is it a providential land of opportunity built on the principles of liberty and justice? If you believe in the former, you no longer believe in the latter. You have become an antagonist of the American experiment and are seeking its destruction, not its salvation.
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It's my observation the American "Intellectual" right has some problems marrying American values, "whiteness" and conservative evangelical Christianity with European heritage, European Christianity. the enlightenment, western values, European culture and history and finally even British culture, heritage and history.
All of the above are Venn diagrams and not necessarily the same things but overlap. I see clumsy improvisation to justify crude and unrefined beliefs to the point that the gatekeepers of American conservative intellectualism don't even understand themselves what they believe.
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to put it simply, the founding fathers were intellectual grifters who cobbled together a constitution to serve their personal and business interests first. I think the same formula has been applied across colony-settler nations around the world. trying to build values from an enterprise whose foundation stones are resource exploitation, destruction of natural environments and mass extinction, slavery and genocide means obviously making stuff up in the form of propaganda.
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It is not my usual practice to post lengthy youtube videos but this one was too on topic to resist.
The quest on this youtube version of a podcast is Rod Deher an editor at The American Conservative a peloconservative outlet.
There will be things said that some will find offensive. While I agree with the overall premise of what he was talking about I had some significant disagreements. I will not discuss them unless others react first.
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Commentary Magazine is paywalled but allows a few free reads
Josh Appel is a policy analyst at the Manhattan Institute, where he focuses on defending Western values, countering radical ideologies, and strengthening the cultural and moral foundations of American life. His work explores the intersection of tradition and modernity, the moral underpinnings of free societies, and the necessity of cultural confidence in sustaining a flourishing future.
The Evil Idea That Has Taken Over the Woke Right - The coming of ‘critical religion theory’
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Interesting read thanks
Without condoning nothing surprising though. Is excusing Hitler any different from Guevara or stalin?
The CT (conspiracy theory) bit intrigues me though, I've always been a bit CT-adajacent, by which I mean I can entertain them without really falling in. Most people are more binary - traditionally with the vast majority quite doubtful but a reasonable % able to show intrigue or laugh it off, then you had a small % on the all-in side, they believed everything CT even when they contradicted themselves, and would try to bore you senseless into seeing the light. I was on the periphery between the two, I felt.
What's changed now is there's a LOT of people that have swept passed me to bolster the CT ranks and bang on about stuff non stop.. including some that in the past I'd mention something a little bit CT and they literally laughed at me. And what's left of the non believers, a lot of them seem to fervently believe what they're told by the gov/media and get frightened/sick at the idea of being at odds when you point out the absurdity and complete contradiction of a few things the they would have us believe.
I find myself increasingly sympathetic to the thought that humans aren't smart enough not to have religion yet.
The CT (conspiracy theory) bit intrigues me though, I've always been a bit CT-adajacent, by which I mean I can entertain them without really falling in. Most people are more binary - traditionally with the vast majority quite doubtful but a reasonable % able to show intrigue or laugh it off, then you had a small % on the all-in side, they believed everything CT even when they contradicted themselves, and would try to bore you senseless into seeing the light. I was on the periphery between the two, I felt.
What's changed now is there's a LOT of people that have swept passed me to bolster the CT ranks and bang on about stuff non stop.. including some that in the past I'd mention something a little bit CT and they literally laughed at me. And what's left of the non believers, a lot of them seem to fervently believe what they're told by the gov/media and get frightened/sick at the idea of being at odds when you point out the absurdity and complete contradiction of a few things the they would have us believe.
I find myself increasingly sympathetic to the thought that humans aren't smart enough not to have religion yet.
It might shock you to know almost all of us are not card carrying communists who defend Chairman Mao or Stalin. I find it curious when people try and put Hitler in the context of being as bad as communist leaders. My "spidey senses" get activated. Like saying American slavery wasn't that bad because everyone engaged in slavery once upon a time.
Conspiracy theories exist on a spectrum of plausible denial. Some are less believable than others based on evidence collected.
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The short version is that it came from anti MAGA traditional conservatives who were and are against elements of the left that they felt were too much into purity tests, identity politics, and censorship what people opposed to these called “woke”. They noticed their fellow conservatives doing similar things they criticized “wokes” for and did not like it.
The OP is a primer on what is meant by the woke right. Other posts expand upon it.
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