Chuchulainn vs. the Wishful Thinkers, err, Atheists

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18 Oct 2007, 3:23 pm

I really don't know what to say other than that the original statement is incorrect. I have full respect for religion, but it's fact that some extremists have caused many deaths to to religious dogma. To say that Evolution causes death is vague and false.

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Science takes away humanity's soul, its moral compass, and its worth.

This statement shakes me to my core. Scientific thought is, in my mind, one of the things that makes humanity great and defines us as a higher species.

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18 Oct 2007, 7:31 pm

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I have never heard of anyone being sent to concentration camp because they were atheists. George Rockwell, founder of the american nazi party, even officially claimed to be an atheist.

I don't know of any famous atheists sent to concentration camps, but it was official Nazi policy, just like sending Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, communists, etc. (for that matter, i don't know of any famous gypsies sent there). Each category had its colour, i don't remember which one was for atheists (i do remember pink was for homosexuals and yellow for Jews, probably red was for communists). I'm sure any history book dealing in detail with concentration camp policy would have all the details, but 'atheist' was definitely a category marked for extermination. I don't know anything about American Nazis so can't comment on that. Except for not taking sides in the Protestant-Catholic divide, Nazi policy towards religion was actually not at all exceptional, it was more a return to traditional policies.
I did not claim that you personally were equating all atheists with Mao, but it is an attitude that many religious people take. I agre with what you say abut bin Laden, but by the same token Robespierre or Pol Pot would probably have been religious fundamentalists in toher circumstances.

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18 Oct 2007, 7:51 pm

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Thanks, Yog-Sothoth! I'm an agnostic heiðinn of Scandinavian and Celtic descent, and am quite familiar with the tragic Christianization of my ancestors' lands.

To the best of my knowledge, the "Viking" age (approximately 800-1000 CE) was a reaction to the Christian invasion, not an unprovoked attack upon southern lands. Literally thousands of people were murdered by Charlemagne, Olaf, and other Christian warlords when the indigenous people of the invaded northlands failed to convert, or when they accepted coerced baptism but continued to practice their old rituals.

I, too, am proud of my ancestors... And intrigued and delighted when I indulge in the seasonal festivities that they managed to pass down to us despite the hardships visited upon them.

Astreja, I am of Celtic descent, and I am overjoyed that our ancestors embraced Christianity. It was a unifying force in Europe, and the reason why Europe is going downhill so fast right now is because it's losing it's original religion.

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18 Oct 2007, 7:56 pm

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Astreja wrote:

Respond to my post, Chuchulainn. Or do you not keep an eye on your own thread?

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18 Oct 2007, 7:58 pm

I am proud of my ancestors' customs, but the Gauls, in addition to the Romans, converted of their own free will. Even though Christianity was persecuted, the religion rose until it was so prevalent that the Emperors converted. Christians didn't threaten people with death to convert; THEY were persecuted originally. As for this crap about the Vikings, they were pillaging Christian monasteries and killing Christians. What other choice did the Christian Europeans have???

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18 Oct 2007, 7:59 pm

Quatermass wrote:

Chuchulainn wrote:

Atheism and evolution has caused more deaths than any ideology. Evolutionists hunted down native Tasmanians like animals.

Proof?

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Kruschev killed Christians, not that you care.

I do care. The loss of human life is especially abhorrent because I am borderline atheist. The loss of a certain afterlife makes me value human life even more.

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Why is this?
Because atheists don't want to believe in God.
Which means they have no convictions.
Which means they have no reason to be moral.
Which means they are immoral.
Which means they are depraved.

I choose to be moral. If there is one thing I choose to believe in, it is humanity.

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Look around you, fools. No accident could have created this marvelous beauty called earth, no science could ever explain the paranormal experiences that are on the rise on TV and newspaper. Science takes away humanity's soul, its moral compass, and its worth.

Bollocks. Science and morality are very much still intertwined. It just means changing focus away from stories that are most likely false, and focusing on what we know and observe.

So-called paranormal occurences are either BS, or what I call a 'singularity of coincidence'.

Well?

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18 Oct 2007, 8:04 pm

Quatermass wrote:

Chuchulainn wrote:

Atheism and evolution has caused more deaths than any ideology. Evolutionists hunted down native Tasmanians like animals.

Proof?

Chuchulainn wrote:

Kruschev killed Christians, not that you care.

I do care. The loss of human life is especially abhorrent because I am borderline atheist. The loss of a certain afterlife makes me value human life even more.

Chuchulainn wrote:

I choose to be moral. If there is one thing I choose to believe in, it is humanity.

Chuchulainn wrote:

Well?

I misspoke. Nowadays, Islam is the most dangerous ideology.

I hope I didn't offend any of you. But perhaps no one will ever see that Christianity is the most advanced, most scientific and most world-improving religion until Jesus Christ returns and conquers the nations.

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18 Oct 2007, 8:07 pm

Haha, this Chihuahua guy makes a lot of wild accusations, but he sure doesn't feel the need to back any of them up huh?

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Wanna prove that buddy?

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I hope I didn't offend any of you. But perhaps no one will ever see that Christianity is the most advanced, most scientific and most world-improving religion until Jesus Christ returns and conquers the nations.

Sounds a hell of a lot like an opinion to me, you can only pass it off as a fact if you can back it up in any way, like at least give some examples or something?
You have been proven wrong about almost everything you said, so what gives you the right to start passing off your own flawed logic as truth?

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18 Oct 2007, 8:11 pm

Did I read the wrong forum? Sorry, I thought you guys didn't disprove anything I said--just throw a gigantic temper tantrum.

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18 Oct 2007, 8:13 pm

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Did I read the wrong forum? Sorry, I thought you guys didn't disprove anything I said--just throw a gigantic temper tantrum.

I disproved what you said for myself, I cannot speak for the rest of them.

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18 Oct 2007, 8:16 pm

Chuchulainn wrote:

Did I read the wrong forum? Sorry, I thought you guys didn't disprove anything I said--just throw a gigantic temper tantrum.

Yes, apparently you did read the wrong forum.
Try again.

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18 Oct 2007, 8:18 pm

Yog-Sothoth wrote:

Chuchulainn wrote:

Did I read the wrong forum? Sorry, I thought you guys didn't disprove anything I said--just throw a gigantic temper tantrum.

Yes, apparently you did read the wrong forum.
Try again.

lol good one really

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18 Oct 2007, 8:18 pm

Thank you.

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18 Oct 2007, 10:22 pm

Chuchulainn wrote:

Did I read the wrong forum? Sorry, I thought you guys didn't disprove anything I said--just throw a gigantic temper tantrum.

Your first post seemed pretty much like a tantrum actually.

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18 Oct 2007, 11:11 pm

Chuchulainn wrote:

Did I read the wrong forum? Sorry, I thought you guys didn't disprove anything I said--just throw a gigantic temper tantrum.

It's nobody's job here to disprove anything you said. You've made the claim, it's your job to prove to us that your claim is correct... and, judging from the response, you haven't.

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18 Oct 2007, 11:25 pm

Chuchulainn wrote:

Christians didn't threaten people with death to convert.

I beg to differ:

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...All the world of north-western Europe, which is now Great Britain, France, Germany, Denmark, and Norway and Sweden, was in the ninth century an arena of bitter conflict between the old faith and the new. Whole nations were converted to Christianity by the sword just as Islam in Arabia, Central Asia, and Africa had converted whole nations a century or so before.

With fire and sword Charlemagne preached the Gospel of the Cross to the Saxons, Bohemians, and as far as the Danube into what is now Hungary...

- H.G. Wells, The Outline of History

And, regarding my Viking brethren:

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As the Christian propaganda of Charlemagne swept towards the shores of the North and Baltic Seas, the pagans were driven to the sea. They retaliated for the Christian persecutions with plundering raids and expeditions against the northern coasts of France and against Christian England...

...Most of our information about these wars and invasions of the Pagan Vikings is derived from Christian sources, and so we have abundant information of the massacres and atrocities of their raids and very little about the cruelties inflicted upon their pagan brethren, the Saxons, at the hands of Charlemagne. (Ibid.)

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