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24 Nov 2007, 9:39 am

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Honestly, before 9/11 was there such a political divide? Did people so readily ignore basic facts?


Yes, and they have been since practically the 50's.


Not to the point where you had rednecks vehemently fighting for an exclusively christian government that would alienate over half the nation, and hippie vegans advocating a lawless pipe dream.


Yep, I really think you need to get a good book on recent history, though I'd go way back before even the 1960's, Vietnam, The Cold War, and all that and even take a look at politics and how it was when our country was founded. Seems like the happy little picture that the gradeschool history text books gave you have you a little confused about the nature of our world still.


Well then the nature of our world is that people are too stupid to compromise, or to find the bottom line in issues of civil rights and societal survival. Here you've got people on the left wanting to let any old person who wants to walk into america undocumented and unknown, reguardless of the drain it causes on our resources or on our wages, and on the other side you've got theocrats.
On one side you've got ret*ds who don't understand that without the 2nd amendment we will fall to tyranny, on the other side you've got idiots who are looking for an excuse to be a racist bigot.


Snake, I can just see you sitting on the floor with your two straw-men action figures smashing them into each other over and over again. You've stereotyped people on both sides so much you're not even talking about real people anymore.


Yes I am, show me a conservative that doesn't advocate religious fanaticism (other than ron paul who is really a centrist using a big party platform to gain support), show me a non PC fanatic liberal. They barely if at all exist.


Of course you would say that. You're having too much fun playing with you're action figures. If you admit they aren't real then you couldn't keep playing.



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24 Nov 2007, 1:23 pm

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Well last I checked you supported Bush.


Wrong.

I support the War on Terror, but I definitely do not support Bush.



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24 Nov 2007, 4:26 pm

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Of course you would say that. You're having too much fun playing with you're action figures. If you admit they aren't real then you couldn't keep playing.


Yeah, its the kind of thing you'd call a straw-man fallacy except for the fact that I think he really believes it.



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24 Nov 2007, 5:29 pm

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Well last I checked you supported Bush.


Wrong.

I support the War on Terror, but I definitely do not support Bush.


That's a good thing. Who do you support?



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24 Nov 2007, 5:29 pm

I'm voting for Ron Paul. He is America's last hope.



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24 Nov 2007, 5:36 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
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Of course you would say that. You're having too much fun playing with you're action figures. If you admit they aren't real then you couldn't keep playing.


Yeah, its the kind of thing you'd call a straw-man fallacy except for the fact that I think he really believes it.


I think all people who use fallacious arguments really believe them. :D

PS: If you read my previous post you can see that the action figures I referred to here are "straw-man" action figures.



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24 Nov 2007, 6:55 pm

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How many people here actually try to follow rules of debate, not necessarily these specifically, but some form of explicit rules?

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Debate Rules and Suggestions

Advice on Debating with Others

1. Avoid the use of Never.
2. Avoid the use of Always.
3. Refrain from saying you are wrong.
4. You can say your idea is mistaken.
5. Don't disagree with obvious truths.
6. Attack the idea not the person.
7. Use many rather than most.
8. Avoid exaggeration.
9. Use some rather than many.
10. The use of often allows for exceptions.
11. The use of generally allows for exceptions.
12. Quote sources and numbers.
13. If it is just an opinion, admit it.
14. Do not present opinion as facts.
15. Smile when disagreeing.
16. Stress the positive.
17. You do not need to win every battle to win the war.
18. Concede minor or trivial points.
19. Avoid bickering, quarreling, and wrangling.
20. Watch your tone of voice.
21. Don't win a debate and lose a friend.
22. Keep your perspective - You're just debating.

You need to be very polite when disagreeing with someone in English, even someone you know quite well.
With someone you know very well, you can disagree more directly.

http://www.paulnoll.com/Books/Clear-Eng ... dvice.html


I'm glad to see this here. I don't think it'll be too controversial if I say that the quality of debate in this forum is relatively poor.



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24 Nov 2007, 7:20 pm

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I'm voting for Ron Paul. He is America's last hope.


He's a conspiracy nutjob and a closet troofer who refuses to disavow the white supremacists, radical left kooks and assorted riffraff that associate with him



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24 Nov 2007, 9:44 pm

Elemental wrote:
spdjeanne wrote:
How many people here actually try to follow rules of debate, not necessarily these specifically, but some form of explicit rules?

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Debate Rules and Suggestions

Advice on Debating with Others

1. Avoid the use of Never.
2. Avoid the use of Always.
3. Refrain from saying you are wrong.
4. You can say your idea is mistaken.
5. Don't disagree with obvious truths.
6. Attack the idea not the person.
7. Use many rather than most.
8. Avoid exaggeration.
9. Use some rather than many.
10. The use of often allows for exceptions.
11. The use of generally allows for exceptions.
12. Quote sources and numbers.
13. If it is just an opinion, admit it.
14. Do not present opinion as facts.
15. Smile when disagreeing.
16. Stress the positive.
17. You do not need to win every battle to win the war.
18. Concede minor or trivial points.
19. Avoid bickering, quarreling, and wrangling.
20. Watch your tone of voice.
21. Don't win a debate and lose a friend.
22. Keep your perspective - You're just debating.

You need to be very polite when disagreeing with someone in English, even someone you know quite well.
With someone you know very well, you can disagree more directly.

http://www.paulnoll.com/Books/Clear-Eng ... dvice.html


I'm glad to see this here. I don't think it'll be too controversial if I say that the quality of debate in this forum is relatively poor.


I wasn't aware that an actual debate was even going on.



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24 Nov 2007, 10:01 pm

Mc_Jeff wrote:
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I'm voting for Ron Paul. He is America's last hope.


He's a conspiracy nutjob and a closet troofer who refuses to disavow the white supremacists, radical left kooks and assorted riffraff that associate with him


A nut job 8O I think he's in a better position to know what's going on than you are.



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24 Nov 2007, 10:02 pm

And what is this about disavowing white supremacists? I never knew they had any real political power.



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25 Nov 2007, 2:22 am

snake321 wrote:
And what is this about disavowing white supremacists? I never knew they had any real political power.


I'm not from North or South Carolina, so I really couldn't tell ya.