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What are your political tendencies?
Left-Wing Authoritarian (Communist, Socialist) 4%  4%  [ 6 ]
Left-Wing Authoritarian (Communist, Socialist) 4%  4%  [ 6 ]
Left-Wing Libertarian (Liberal, Progressive, Green) 23%  23%  [ 34 ]
Left-Wing Libertarian (Liberal, Progressive, Green) 23%  23%  [ 34 ]
Right-Wing Authoritarian (Conservative, Republican) 7%  7%  [ 11 ]
Right-Wing Authoritarian (Conservative, Republican) 7%  7%  [ 11 ]
Right-Wing Libertarian (free-market, privatisation) 6%  6%  [ 9 ]
Right-Wing Libertarian (free-market, privatisation) 6%  6%  [ 9 ]
Extremist 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Extremist 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Not sure 3%  3%  [ 5 ]
Not sure 3%  3%  [ 5 ]
Don't care. Politics is for Morons!! ! 5%  5%  [ 8 ]
Don't care. Politics is for Morons!! ! 5%  5%  [ 8 ]
Total votes : 148

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08 Sep 2005, 11:24 am

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People now take these things for granted, but great men of the past 100 years have fought long and hard against the Conservatives to achieve this.


*cough*

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please note my added emphasis, robert... 8O

and adversarial - socialists are not part of the labour party, certainly not any more. i am not, never have been, and never will be (i very much doubt) a member of the labour party. not unless wedgie benn becomes leader.



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08 Sep 2005, 11:37 am

Well it has mostly been men in politics vetivert, particularly at the time these were achieved and my mum is a local labour councillor and a socialist so they still do exist, its just that they dont tend to be favoured by the ruling party elite though if Brown gets in power i hope to see at least a little swing to the left. On a seperate not you have done two posts in seperate forums in the same minute, that is quite impressive.



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08 Sep 2005, 11:57 am

PMSL!

now you see why i don't take drugs ;)



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08 Sep 2005, 3:39 pm

vetivert wrote:
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People now take these things for granted, but great men of the past 100 years have fought long and hard against the Conservatives to achieve this.


*cough*

*ahem*

please note my added emphasis, robert... 8O

and adversarial - socialists are not part of the labour party, certainly not any more. i am not, never have been, and never will be (i very much doubt) a member of the labour party. not unless wedgie benn becomes leader.



I'm sorry Vivi. :oops: I was forgetting that you were a secret member of the Women's Socialist Resistance Movement :wink: :wink: (hey, does that really exist?)



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08 Sep 2005, 4:40 pm

Depends on the issues.

Social stuff (drug laws, lifestyle issues, etc.) I swing left.

National security, capitalism, personal responsibily (and wellfare), size of government, I'm pretty hard conservative on those things.

As for abortion - both sides are too absolutist on that. I believe in extremely exclusive finite cases but sure as hell not just because of personal responsibility issues (societal irresponsibility in general, with or without a crime attached is something which I think people should slowly lose rights over if they can't be grown adults - in this case if it comes down to court-ordered histerectomies or visectomies I'm more than fine with it).


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08 Sep 2005, 7:30 pm

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How about just privatizing all schools and end government destruction of education.


But then there would be lots of people who couldn't afford an education.


Not if you have a voucher system to allow the poor to attend private schools.

The fact (and no one can deny this) is that private schools are much better than public schools. Completely privatizing the school system and assisting the poor with vouchers would enable every parent to send their children to a high quality private school.



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09 Sep 2005, 12:13 am

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I'm sorry Vivi. :oops: I was forgetting that you were a secret member of the Women's Socialist Resistance Movement :wink: :wink: (hey, does that really exist?)


good god - i do hope not 8O

LOL



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09 Sep 2005, 1:44 am

Take a chart

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I used to be in the right (conservative) until I grew up and learned more about life and ESPECIALLY when the Iraq war started. When that happened I just turned left.


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09 Sep 2005, 6:55 am

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Take a chart

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I used to be in the right (conservative) until I grew up and learned more about life and ESPECIALLY when the Iraq war started. When that happened I just turned left.


hey, where do you get that chart from. I want one........ :cry: :cry: :twisted:



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09 Sep 2005, 6:57 am

I would probably be between Left and Statist on that chart.



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09 Sep 2005, 7:07 am

I'm generally quiet about who I vote for in elections. Australia's major choice is between Rightwing Libertarians (Liberal) and Leftwing Authoritarians (Labor). There are plenty of minor parties too, like the Greens who are leftwing extremists, and One Nation (although I don't think it's still going thank goodness) which is a rightwing extremist party. When people ask me who I voted for in the last election, the only thing I tell them is itwas NOT One Nation. God I hate that party.


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10 Sep 2005, 11:02 am

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I'm generally quiet about who I vote for in elections. Australia's major choice is between Rightwing Libertarians (Liberal) and Leftwing Authoritarians (Labor). There are plenty of minor parties too, like the Greens who are leftwing extremists, and One Nation (although I don't think it's still going thank goodness) which is a rightwing extremist party. When people ask me who I voted for in the last election, the only thing I tell them is itwas NOT One Nation. God I hate that party.


Since when were Rightwing Libertarians allowed to call themselves Liberals? Shame Shame.
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Liberals are Left-Wing progressives who opt for a controlled economy, but with lots of personal freedom.



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10 Sep 2005, 2:35 pm

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I'm generally quiet about who I vote for in elections. Australia's major choice is between Rightwing Libertarians (Liberal) and Leftwing Authoritarians (Labor). There are plenty of minor parties too, like the Greens who are leftwing extremists, and One Nation (although I don't think it's still going thank goodness) which is a rightwing extremist party. When people ask me who I voted for in the last election, the only thing I tell them is itwas NOT One Nation. God I hate that party.


Since when were Rightwing Libertarians allowed to call themselves Liberals? Shame Shame.
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Liberals are Left-Wing progressives who opt for a controlled economy, but with lots of personal freedom.


Thomas Jefferson considered himself a Liberal, and yet if he were around today he'd be considered a right-wing Libertarian.

Liberal used to mean Libertarian before the advent of socialism.



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10 Sep 2005, 4:15 pm

I'm a socialist myself. I believe that Aspies are the key to acheiving socialism, because we lack the flaws that NTs suffer from that have caused socialism to fail in the past.



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10 Sep 2005, 4:43 pm

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I'm a socialist myself. I believe that Aspies are the key to acheiving socialism, because we lack the flaws that NTs suffer from that have caused socialism to fail in the past.


That is a really interesting point you have there, SpiderMonkey. One of the interesting things about Asperger's is that people call us self-centred, but actually, on a much larger scale, we are very selfless. :idea:

Capitalism is founded on an idea that people want to advance their own position in society. Aspies tend not to care about social status, and therefore do not care too much about capitalism.

Another point is that Aspies are intellectual rather than instinctive. Socialism is an intellectual construct that can only be carried out by intelligent people who put Reason before gut instinct. Aspies can do this very well, so we have a perfect breeding ground for a new socialist era.



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10 Sep 2005, 4:49 pm

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I'm a socialist myself. I believe that Aspies are the key to acheiving socialism, because we lack the flaws that NTs suffer from that have caused socialism to fail in the past.


That is a really interesting point you have there, SpiderMonkey. One of the interesting things about Asperger's is that people call us self-centred, but actually, on a much larger scale, we are very selfless. :idea:

Capitalism is founded on an idea that people want to advance their own position in society. Aspies tend not to care about social status, and therefore do not care too much about capitalism.

Another point is that Aspies are intellectual rather than instinctive. Socialism is an intellectual construct that can only be carried out by intelligent people who put Reason before gut instinct. Aspies can do this very well, so we have a perfect breeding ground for a new socialist era.


Exactly my thinking.

Of course is wouldn't be wise to discuss this outside Aspie communities. We are in many ways morally superior to NTs, but they don't believe that and would become offended (or even violent) if you suggested it.

Aspies need to practice their politics behind the scenes.