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I'm not talking about the mandate. I mean the long list of predictions he gave in his post.
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I'm not talking about the mandate. I mean the long list of predictions he gave in his post.
To be honest, his predictions' validity are the least of my worries. Predictions are speculative opinions. The Military Commisions Act is real law...
1. There are gonna be some major terrorist attacks like 9/11 or worse that will instill fear in everyone.
2. The people will call on the government to keep them safe.
3. The governments will introduce more laws, regulations, security measures that will take away our freedom and make government more powerful
4. Cooperation and agreements between countries to prevent international terrorist attacks. National ID cards. World passports. They cracked down on financial transactions after 9/11. With all the fear, they will introduce a world banking system with a world electronic currency so the government can monitor all financial transactions (so people can't fund terrorist organizations).
We'd still have US, Canada, Mexico, Europe, China and other countries but we'd all be more like states of the world government. I think it will be more of an American Empire or an expansion of the European Union and not a United Nations government. The US already has power over much of the world.
I think this can all happen faster than most people think. In the US, I think the laws have already been passed to allow the President to become a dictator and rule with the military under martial law in the event of a terrorist attack, bird flu epidemic, or other threat to national security. I imagine other countries are the same.
90% of what you have said has already happened... Patriot Act... the world's money supply is already in control of one group.
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Yes. I don't like the law either. However, I think it can be discussed without making unjustified predictions.
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I see 3 possible world governments, and I think at least one of them is likely to form over the next 200 years.
1. A global "Corporate Republic." The dystopian future often portrayed in cyber-punk science fiction. This will occur if nation-states refuse to cooperate to rein in the power of multi-national corporations. The nation-states will decline into empty shells that do the bidding of a corporate oligarchy of rich investors. Many employees will become "serfs" of the corporation they work for.
2. A global dictatorship. This is what may probably happen to a popular reaction to multinational corporations that goes bad. Imagine a modern equivalent of Julius Caesar, who took advantage of his popularity and anti-aristocratic sentiment among commoners to make himself dictator. Such a dictatorship would mark the start of Western Civilization's "Universal State" period, the final phase of a civilization's life.
3. A global democratic federation. This is the best scenario, and is most likely to occur if nation-states co-operate to rein in the power of multinational corporations.
A one world government will eventually happen. Our entire history has been leaning in that direction since the beginning of human existence.
Compare the total number of SEPERATE communities/civilizations one could potentially find throughout history books within some of the first documented cases.
First documentation alone might not have enough presence to tell..but take the next few generations of civilization and there should be more than enough records of different people.
If you compare the total number of these seperate civilizations, compared to 1000 years from than, to another 1000 years, etc.
You will notice a pattern.
Nations(or what you might call nations), have lessened in number. The further we go into the future, if we consider large enough leaps(hence the reason I said 1000years), will present themselves with a smaller total number of nations, each who tends to hold more influence over territory.
Granted in those long leaps, there will be some sway. For example The various large empires...Byzantine, Rome, Persia, etc. All acquired a large some of land than lost it. However, they acquired that land from tens and hundreds of small nations present in their era of the world.
So while, sometimes revolutions will sprout new nations, over those long leaps, much of that territory is recquired and redistributed by someone new.
Eventually a one world government will occur. However, I think we will likely have colonized and built communities in space by the time that arrives. Resulting in a largely different form of diplomacy and interaction.
Just because the UN might be pretty impotent at the moment, doesnt mean it wont be given more power in order to become the vehicle of the Elites dictatorship.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/sto ... d=10488031
Brown's secret talks on 'new world order'
5:00AM Tuesday January 22, 2008
By Andrew Grice
British Prime Minister Gordon Brown has begun secret talks with other world leaders on far-reaching reform of the United Nations Security Council as part of a drive to create a "new world order" and "global society".
Brown is drawing up plans to expand the number of permanent members in a move that will provoke fears in his country that the veto enjoyed by Britain could be diluted eventually.
The United States, France, Russia and China also have a veto but the number of members could be doubled to include India, Germany, Japan, Brazil and one or two African nations.
Brown has discussed a shake-up of a structure created in 1945 to reflect the world's new challenges and power bases during his four-day trip to China and India. British sources revealed "intense discussions" on UN reform were under way and Brown raised it whenever he met another world leader.
The Prime Minister believes the UN is punching below its weight. In 2003, it failed to agree on a fresh resolution giving explicit approval for military action in Iraq. US President George W. Bush then acted unilaterally, winning the support of then British Prime Minister Tony Blair.
Also look up the Lisburn treaty where as Tony Benn says, Britain is giving away its democracy to Europe.
Also look at NAFTA where Canada, America and Mexico are going the way of Europe.
The world is to initialy be divided into ten regions, then, at the end, they all give thier power to the One World Governmnet.
Revelation 17
11 And the wild beast that was but is not, it is also itself an eighth [king], but springs from the seven, and it goes off into destruction.
12 “And the ten horns that you saw mean ten kings, who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings one hour with the wild beast. 13 These have one thought, and so they give their power and authority to the wild beast.
Anybody that thinks North America is going the way of the EU is completely delusional. Likewise anybody who thinks increasing the number of countries with a veto in the Security Council will strengthen the UN.
Fantasies relating to the Book of Revelations are beneath all criticism.
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I don't see the sense of combining political analysis with premillennial and apocalyptic prophecies.
What is so wonderful about the system of nation states, a system which has plunged us into repeated wars and taken us the brink of nuclear devastation, that people would want to hold onto it for dear life? Personally, I would be extraordinary glad to be rid of the nation-state system and to have some sort of global governance or government.
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What is so wonderful about the system of nation states, a system which has plunged us into repeated wars and taken us the brink of nuclear devastation, that people would want to hold onto it for dear life? Personally, I would be extraordinary glad to be rid of the nation-state system and to have some sort of global governance or government.
I doubt you are the type of person who thinks much of those prophecies anyway, so of course you don't see the sense as it is combining a good thing with a very bad thing.
I'd say that the issue is really a distrust of the governing system set up by a global government. The wonderful elements of nation states are that they allow for population movements between governments, and also because we distrust the type of government other people would want, and finally there is also the notion of nationalism and pride in the specific nation. So to sum up, I'd say that the appeal to it is similar to that of states rights often with nationalistic emotive reasons backing it up.
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There is no world government yet. Therefore, there is nothing to trust or distrust. It is all speculation.
People who speak against world government are doing so as a matter of principle. On the other hand, I support the idea of world government (also as a matter of principle).
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I loved the posts by Fuzzy, ghostgirl, and Richardbenson. They were brief and too the point.
You've seen local government, provincial government, and national government. How are those working for you?
I can't accept the unacceptable even if its inevitable. I will just be storic, or an outlaw. or a mystic, or dead.
God told Eve what to do! the snake to Eve what to do! Eve told Adam what to do! If either God or the snake or Eve had kept their pieholes shut, or if Adam had simply said "no, Eve, I"ll make up my own mind what to do." we would not be in the fix we are in today.
I will not govern. I will try to defy government.
People who speak against world government are doing so as a matter of principle. On the other hand, I support the idea of world government (also as a matter of principle).
I never said that there was, my phrasing was perhaps a little off. Well, nominalist, what isn't speculation? Yes, they do so out of principle and in regard to whatever theory they have about the functionings of the world.
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