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07 Sep 2008, 8:18 pm

thread still going on then... nah lets just continue the atheist crusade...



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07 Sep 2008, 8:24 pm

kitty2 wrote:
thread still going on then... nah lets just continue the atheist crusade...

How's about we don't and treat eachother with love and respect even if we have differing views?



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07 Sep 2008, 9:53 pm

To ignore the dangers of irrational viewpoints is a way of signaling that one's opinions are of small consequence if any at all. I care strongly about my point of view and believe that faulty thinking is a great danger to everybody. Love and respect for everybody is derived from trying to get things right to everybody's benefit.



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07 Sep 2008, 10:02 pm

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Love and respect for everybody is derived from trying to get things right to everybody's benefit.



"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."
Clive Staples Lewis (1898-1963)



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07 Sep 2008, 10:04 pm

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To ignore the dangers of irrational viewpoints is a way of signaling that one's opinions are of small consequence if any at all. I care strongly about my point of view and believe that faulty thinking is a great danger to everybody. Love and respect for everybody is derived from trying to get things right to everybody's benefit.

You can't make everyone think the way you do, it just dosen't work. Like Communism for example, people are too selfish for that system to work. You could make an atheist empire and there'd still be people who believed in some sort of God or God's, real or not, belief is about as ingrained in us as our drive to reproduce.



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07 Sep 2008, 10:42 pm

I cannot make anybody think, but I cannot stop trying. I care about what I believe and if I didn't I wouldn't bother to discuss anything.



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07 Sep 2008, 11:44 pm

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I cannot make anybody think, but I cannot stop trying. I care about what I believe and if I didn't I wouldn't bother to discuss anything.


caring too much is usually not a good thing.. it causes wars, and murders, and manipulation.. anything to achieve the desired goal.



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08 Sep 2008, 2:12 am

And not caring creates nothing.



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08 Sep 2008, 10:28 am

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caring too much is usually not a good thing.. it causes wars, and murders, and manipulation.. anything to achieve the desired goal.


The results are far worse when that 'caring too much' is greeted by apathy and indifference.



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08 Sep 2008, 4:31 pm

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Atheist do not deny the existance of an existing God.

They believe whole-heartedly in the non-existance of any god, godling, or supernatural being.


Atheists will not formally acknowledge the existence of God, but they do blame Him for all their problems. If God doesn't exist, why do you hate Him so? :wink:



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08 Sep 2008, 5:22 pm

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Atheist do not deny the existance of an existing God.

They believe whole-heartedly in the non-existance of any god, godling, or supernatural being.


Atheists will not formally acknowledge the existence of God, but they do blame Him for all their problems. If God doesn't exist, why do you hate Him so? :wink:

Are you this frigging stupid? What Atheist would blame God? Atheists aren't pissed off christians, they don't think 'God' is there, or exists at all. Is that so hard to understand? Imagine the Universe real quick without God, and you have the Atheist view, it's not hard. How can we blame things on something that we don't think is there? Are you saying how some Atheists might say "God dammit", or "God Bless you" or things such as that? They're just parts of the modern vocabulary, they aren't serious and neither are most religious people when they say those things. You could argue that saying things like that is no different than saying the word 'Panic' or other words that derive from past Gods that old cultures believed in.



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08 Sep 2008, 5:22 pm

slowmutant wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Atheist do not deny the existance of an existing God.

They believe whole-heartedly in the non-existance of any god, godling, or supernatural being.

Atheists will not formally acknowledge the existence of God, but they do blame Him for all their problems. If God doesn't exist, why do you hate Him so? :wink:

On what authority do you speak for all Atheists? What many Athiests blame is the 'blind faith' issue - a belief that is so intense that it leads to rejection of real cause-and-effect events.

If God does exist, then why do you hate me?


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08 Sep 2008, 5:28 pm

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Atheists might say "God dammit", or "God Bless you" or things such as that? They're just parts of the modern vocabulary, they aren't serious and neither are most religious people when they say those things.

I remember when I was in church, that comment from them was made, that atheists don't believe in God but they do mention him with phrases. I believe some christians may find that ironic, in their own point of view. They could argue that saying those phrases come from Christianity, and they would "promote" the things they reject.


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08 Sep 2008, 5:30 pm

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On what authority do you speak for all Atheists?

God's?


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08 Sep 2008, 5:41 pm

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I remember when I was in church, that comment from them was made, that atheists don't believe in God but they do mention him with phrases. I believe some christians may find that ironic, in their own point of view. They could argue that saying those phrases come from Christianity, and they would "promote" the things they reject.


Do they also find it ironic that people mention Santa Clause and the Easter bunny with phrases, even though it is clear that the referred-to entities do not really exist?? I don't believe in Santa or promote that belief in any way by discussing the curious myth of Santa, do I? Your line of 'reasoning' does nothing to refute atheism.



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08 Sep 2008, 6:11 pm

monty wrote:
greenblue wrote:
I remember when I was in church, that comment from them was made, that atheists don't believe in God but they do mention him with phrases. I believe some christians may find that ironic, in their own point of view. They could argue that saying those phrases come from Christianity, and they would "promote" the things they reject.


Do they also find it ironic that people mention Santa Clause and the Easter bunny with phrases, even though it is clear that the referred-to entities do not really exist?? I don't believe in Santa or promote that belief in any way by discussing the curious myth of Santa, do I? Your line of 'reasoning' does nothing to refute atheism.


Darn! I was so close!