Feminist preoccupation with power

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13 Apr 2012, 10:00 pm

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Yes I know that Lad. Feminism is is a collection of movements aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights for women. In addition, feminism seeks to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment. A feminist is a "person whose beliefs and behavior are based on feminism.

Now which part of that has to do with power?

One cannot establish and defend rights for women without power.

That does not answer the queiston which part of what I posted had anything to do with power?

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13 Apr 2012, 10:02 pm

Joker wrote:

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One cannot establish and defend rights for women without power.

That does not answer the queiston which part of what I posted had anything to do with power?

Yes it does.

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13 Apr 2012, 10:05 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:

Joker wrote:

ArrantPariah wrote:

Joker wrote:

One cannot establish and defend rights for women without power.

That does not answer the queiston which part of what I posted had anything to do with power?

Yes it does.

Care to elaborate?

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13 Apr 2012, 10:35 pm

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I don't particularly like high heels, but I do like long legs. It seems to me that women who wear the former are trying to achieve or enhance the latter

That's it, really. So I think high heels make the best improvement to short legs. The male brain subconsciously thinks legs go all the way to the floor, regardless of how high off the ground the bottoms of the feet are, at least with me. I can see my wife in high heels, and the visual-attraction part of my brain buys the illusion that she's added 3 or 4 inches to her legs, even though it's easy to see she has not. Weird, but it works.

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13 Apr 2012, 10:47 pm

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i had one male friend who explained to me that some men like women to have high heels because it looks like they look like they are trying extra hard to get male attention. and it looks unnatural and kind of tippy, which can apparently be a turn-on. i don't know if that is actually true for other males, but it's an interesting theory.

True for me. Women who look like they could use some help are generally more attractive to most men -- probably because of men's natural instinct to be the "rock" or support in a relationship. I don't know if this is offensive in any way, but what your friend said is definitely a turn-on for me. My wife is small and fragile. That makes my :heart:

swell with love and the determination to protect her. I do think many other men react similarly to women who, in whatever way, look like they could use their help.

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13 Apr 2012, 10:53 pm

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swell with love and the determination to protect her. I do think many other men react similarly to women who, in whatever way, look like they could use their help.

I see no problem with men helping with but I do have a problem with them thinking that their all damsels in distress.

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13 Apr 2012, 11:02 pm

Ragtime wrote:

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I don't particularly like high heels, but I do like long legs. It seems to me that women who wear the former are trying to achieve or enhance the latter

Even women with long legs look sexay in heels. In fact, the longer her legs, the better heels look on her.

I honestly wonder who invented high heels; particularly modern stiletto heels. Whoever they are, they are a genius of fashion.

Anyone here in this thread like corsets on women? Any of the women(here) enjoy wearing them??

What really cracks me up is the fact that in the late 1960s, american feminists were burning bra's publicly despite the fact that the bra(ssiere) was invented by a woman!

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13 Apr 2012, 11:27 pm

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I don't particularly like high heels, but I do like long legs. It seems to me that women who wear the former are trying to achieve or enhance the latter

Even women with long legs look sexay in heels. In fact, the longer her legs, the better heels look on her.

Well to be fair some feminists are in fact radical those burning bras would beconsidered radical feminists and man haters but I agree with you on that.

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13 Apr 2012, 11:32 pm

the bra was a lot better than the corsets that preceded it, AspieRogue. prior to the bra, women had a choice of either going free (with the potential for back pain etc), or they could bind themselves up in highly restrictive corsetry. the bra was a relief compared to the old contraptions. so it's not like some inventor created something in an environment where women were going free already - the bra was actually less painful to wear than the stuff that came prior.

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13 Apr 2012, 11:34 pm

tell me, Ragtime and AspieRogue... what do you think of women with unshaved legs and armpits?

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13 Apr 2012, 11:39 pm

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tell me, Ragtime and AspieRogue... what do you think of women with unshaved legs and armpits?

I don't know what they will think but to me it doens't matter if a girl has unshaven legs or armpits I still love all the same :wink:

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14 Apr 2012, 12:07 am

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shorter women are considered more attractive by men (on average) than taller women, so diminutive height can also a reason for confidence in some cases.

high heels don't actually make a woman taller. every person can see where she got her height from, so it is not an actual source of power. also, it is negated by the hobbling effect. women appear much more vulnerable in heels because they cannot run or properly defend themselves (their balance is sketchy and they are easily thrown off balance).

you can see women quite often appearing to be concentrating as they walk. that doesn't look confident.

Not all women feel more powerful in high heels, but some report they do. The ability to look someone in the eye verses having to look up to someone provides some women a greater sense of confidence, per their self reports.

High heels definitely do not make women more physically powerful or agile, but 18 percent of women polled nationwide in the attached article, would be unwilling to give up the feeling of power they gain from wearing high heels, even if they are experiencing pain.

In general, being taller does not necessarily make one physically stronger or more agile than a shorter person, however per studies taller people are perceived as being more intelligent and to exude leadership abilities, whether or not they have these qualities or not. Some evolutionary Anthropologists suggest this is an instinctual part of human nature that remains.

Interestingly there is a height preference for a mate in most western cultures, and no apparent preference in some eastern cultures. Per research sexual dimorphism plays a role. In some Eastern and middle eastern countries there is a significantly lower rate of sexual dimorphism, than some western cultures.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886907002504

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While there are some women who genuinely like the look of heels, the reason behind them, for others is the power factor. If you can add three or more inches to your height, it’s a metaphorical step up and closer to the top.

High heels have been around since 9th century Persia when they served as an elitiest accessory. Since then they have evolved in to one of power. Shoe expert Elizabeth Semmelhack says that “if the definition of female power is sexual, that power has a very short shelf life,” so that power should be shifted to an item that will last – broken heels can be fixed, exhausted sexual power less easily.

Multiple Studies have shown that along with obese people making less than their more fit counterparts, taller people are also more likely to make more. Even an extra inch of height can be worth as much as $1000 more a year. “If you’re 6 feet tall, you probably earn about $6,000 more than the equally qualified 5-foot-6-inch shrimp down the hall,” writes Slate‘s Steven E. Landsburg. So if society has made this the way things go, how can women not want to take advantage of that with heels? Especially considering the fact that the gender pay gap is still an issues in many industries.

http://thegrindstone.com/career-management/10134/

And an article from Anthropology in Practice that provides, the history of high heels and how they have been used historically in cultures to indicate status and power among women.

http://www.anthropologyinpractice.com/2011/04/power-confidence-and-high-heels.html

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14 Apr 2012, 12:23 am

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tell me, Ragtime and AspieRogue... what do you think of women with unshaved legs and armpits?

Honestly, I find unshaven legs and armpits on a woman to be unattractive. And while I'm not going to give any woman sh*t for refusing to shave, I certainly am not going to sleep with said women.

Also, where did you get the idea that men prefer short women to tall women? I can honestly say with complete certainty that most men are more concerned with a woman's weight than with her height as long as her height is within the normal range(5 to 6 feet). Women on the other hand, strongly prefer tall men to short men and many refuse to date men who aren't at least as tall as they are. Besides, tall women tend to have long legs and those are very attractive to us menz.

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14 Apr 2012, 12:30 am

18% is not that many. and actually, wearing heels in business positions is falling out of favour anyway. it's considered overly sexy so women who want to be taken seriously usually don't wear stilettos at the workplace anymore.

i don't really understand why a female would feel it is necessary to be taller to be listened to. it's really a matter of how a person projects him/herself. nobody ignores my feisty 4'11" sisters when they speak. they don't need high heels to project confidence.

about height for dating:

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It's plain from these two charts that women six feet or taller are either less attractive to men or are considered too intimidating to message. The data also raises the interesting possibility that these tall women are much more likely to sleep with a man who does approach them. Compare the 6' 0" woman to her 5' 4" counterpart: the taller woman gets hit on about two-thirds as much, yet has had slightly more sex partners.

http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/the-b ... ne-dating/

i am dismayed that any women choose to wear high heels at all, considering the possibility of negative health effects. and i am also dismayed that men would encourage them to do so.

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14 Apr 2012, 12:35 am

AspieRogue wrote:

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tell me, Ragtime and AspieRogue... what do you think of women with unshaved legs and armpits?

i posted a link above, about height preferences.

many women also date men who are shorter than them. i am sure you have seen that yourself.

i stopped shaving when i was 17 because i decided that any man who cared was not worth it.

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14 Apr 2012, 12:36 am

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tell me, Ragtime and AspieRogue... what do you think of women with unshaved legs and armpits?

I am not one who cares :wink:

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