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23 Mar 2012, 5:51 pm

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Amateur (and I mean truly amateur) on the other hand is much better, and healthier.

Not always. I've seen some amateur porn of real people that is pretty unhealthy. A lot of amateur porn can be very misogynistic.

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23 Mar 2012, 6:09 pm

I've met some nice, decent feminists who actually DO believe in equality and practice what they preach(which unfortunately, many feminists don't do). Interestingly enough, all of them have been lesbians. I daresay that lesbians are usually easier for me to get along with than straight women as they aren't nearly as judgemental and nervous around me.

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23 Mar 2012, 6:19 pm

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Thanks for busting the stereotype that lesbians 'hate men'. However, I think you're projecting. Lesbian feminists are 'safe' to you because they have no attraction to you and don't really try to influence the power dynamics of straight relationships. Feminists that still have heterosexual relationships are more of a threat. Or they are more threatened by you. It could go both ways.

If I'm wrong, please give me some examples of what you mean by 'practising what they preach'.

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23 Mar 2012, 7:36 pm

Tequila wrote:

Vexcalibur wrote:

Amateur (and I mean truly amateur) on the other hand is much better, and healthier.

Not always. I've seen some amateur porn of real people that is pretty unhealthy. A lot of amateur porn can be very misogynistic.

all right all right. If you know where to find though. There's good porn out there enjoyed both by men and women. It takes effort and you need a critical mind even for porn though.

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23 Mar 2012, 7:39 pm

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Not always.

True. I think it's just with the state of some of the amateur porn I've seen, I really have to wonder about the women themselves.

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23 Mar 2012, 8:37 pm

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Porn makers produce what sells the most, for the most money. If more men wanted happy couple sex with beautiful production values, then more producers would make that.

There isn't much kissing, to take an example, in mainstream straight porn. When there is, the girl usually either just puts up with it (which is not sexy), or has a visible "eew, stop it" reaction (which is very not sexy). When she doesn't do that and actually responds, it's going to be a really good scene. In lesbian porn, there is a lot more kissing, and although there are some 'put up with it' style reactions, there are not nearly as many.

I'm not entirely sure why, but that seems to be the usual reaction from anyone female doing porn in a more-or-less career-like mode (the males all seem fine with kissing). Non-amateur porn gets female performers from exactly this pool of people, and people watching porn aren't going to stop watching if they don't get exactly what they want. So porn producers aren't really put in a bind by not having enough kissing and so forth, because nobody else has enough either.

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I do know that violent porn *exists,* and is sold in mainstream sex shops.

I can't really answer this without knowing exactly what you're talking about, but in my experience, this is wrong. Either that, or you're using the word 'violent' in a way that's very different from how I would use it.

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23 Mar 2012, 8:39 pm

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I think he's probably talking about rape porn.

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23 Mar 2012, 8:47 pm

Tequila wrote:

I think he's probably talking about rape porn.

I know that exists, but it's certainly not sold in the U.S. in stores.

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23 Mar 2012, 8:53 pm

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I know that exists, but it's certainly not sold in the U.S. in stores.

Such stuff is more difficult to find commercially than you'd think.

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23 Mar 2012, 9:53 pm

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I am ok with Feminism as long as it doesn't go to the extreme where they will say and put up signs saying men are useless etc. No gender is superior over the other and no gender is useless. Once I came across a femenist extremist telling me that men are worthless etc and women can rule the world without men. I applied my logic to her remarks and said "without men you wouldn't be here, because you need the other 23 chromosomes to create you and I know it goes the other way around as well." Sure you could clone but it wouldn't be natures way cloning doesn't allow the human race to evolve as efficiently or replicate the human race fast enough if a natural disaster like a meteor was to hit the earth the human species would probably go extinct. No one gender that requires the means of sexual reproduction can live on without the other for it would mean extinction. Women are not sex objects or weak neither are all men stupid, useless, lummoxes who degrade women. There are good and bad in either gender therefore we should just get along and not hate or degrade each other.

This. I also think another issue with radical feminism is that nowadays, working outside the home and whatnot is indirectly pushed on women and there are more than likely some women who would love to stay at home and raise the kids, but feel that if they did, they wouldn't be "doing their duty" so to speak. The centuries before World War II and the decade after, a working woman was almost unheard of and she was frowned upon by society as a whole, whereas now we have the reverse when we should have neither. The whole point of the feminist movement was to give women a choice, not be pushy about what women should and should not do with their lives.

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24 Mar 2012, 1:59 am

LiberalJustice wrote:

AspieOtaku wrote:

Men should have a choice, too, and not be looked down on for choosing to stay home with the kids (assuming that the couple can survive on one paycheck).

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24 Mar 2012, 9:21 am

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I think there needs to be a men's rights movement to compliment the women's rights movement. See, I view it as gender roles keeping both sexes down, not as men preying on women collectively.

AMEN!! There is actually a men's movement but it's mired in spirituality and mythology. The best example of it is the book Iron John, by robert bly. That gets to be beyond gender issues though. I feel like men aren't supposed to be creative or fluid, in particular ASPERGIAN men. Men aren't supposed to be non derivative unless they're exceptionally nerdy or if they are an artist, and even then that just leads to more derivative snobbery somehow. Men aren't supposed to be deep, they're supposed to be buff, they can only like or do certain things that fit 'manly' roles.

Many women think all men are jerks. Many men think all women are a mysterious breed of passive aggressive species.

I don't think either is true.

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24 Mar 2012, 9:37 am

puddingmouse wrote:

It's not that they're 'safe' to me, it's that I'm 'safe' to them. Homosexuals in general see the opposite sex as peers and don't size them up the way heteros do. In short, lesbians aren't judgemental of me the way straight women are and are able to take me at face value.

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24 Mar 2012, 1:22 pm

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puddingmouse wrote:

I have gay men and women friends that accept me at face value also I know lesbiens that find some guys hot but have no sexual attraction to them the same with gay men with me im omisexual I do not base my sexual attractions based on whats between some ones legs I like the person which is all that matters to me.

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24 Mar 2012, 4:35 pm

I agree. It is possible for anyone to look at a person attractively even if they are the same sex, on a casual level. For instance I find native american men from certain tribes to be very attractive because they have such refined features and they have long hair which is also smooth. I don't think that makes me gay because I'm not turned on by it.

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24 Mar 2012, 4:39 pm

AngryDesiDoughboy wrote:

That is a good example btw I have long hair and its smooth :wink:

and im native american on my fathers side of the family

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