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05 Apr 2022, 4:54 pm

Vassily Nebenzia's press briefing, the parts about the alleged Bucha massacre:

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I would like to present to you the real facts about Bucha.

During the time that the town has been under the control of the Russian armed forces, not a single local resident has suffered from any violent action.

For as long as the town was under the control of the Russian armed forces locals were moving freely around the town and using cellular phones. So they could post on social media any photo and video footage of any theoretical “harassment” if this were the case. However, that did not happen.

Let me address the developments in chronological order.

On March 30, following another round of talks in Ankara, Russian Ministry of Defense announced the withdrawal of forces from a number of regions, including Bucha.

That fact was confirmed the next day by the mayor of Bucha. In his video of March 31 Anatoly Fedoruk presented the withdrawal of Russian forces as a victory of Ukrainian Army. Interestingly, he had not mentioned any mass atrocities, dead bodies, killings, graves or anything like that. It is hard to imagine that a city mayor can “forget” to address such a devastating scenario.

Let me show you the video posted by Mr. Fedoruk. As you will see, he looks happy and smiling. It is hard to imagine that he is acting like this against the backdrop of “massacre” in the streets. That’s in Ukrainian, but as I said, he is very happy that Russian troops withdrew, which he regards as a great victory of the Ukrainian army. He makes no mentioning of any atrocities in the city.

This video was posted on “Ukraine 24” channel on the 1st of April. I would like to stress - nothing about “atrocities” was revealed on April 1st.

Let me also show a photo of Zhan Belenyuk, a deputy of the Ukrainian parliament, who, according to his reports in social media, visited Bucha after regaining control by the Ukrainian government. As you can see, he is also smiling. He is joyful. In his reports he mentions no dead bodies. Not a single reference to “atrocities”.

On April 2nd the National Guard of Ukraine posted on official resources a video from Bucha. Let me show you the footage. The video captures members of Ukrainian armed forces entering Bucha. The footage shows no dead bodies in the streets. The Ukrainian military interviewed several people in different locations across the town. None of them said a word about any “massacre” or mass killings. Camera also captures background behind these people, with no dead bodies in sight.

To sum it up, there are no reports of atrocities which are accredited to the Russian military in Bucha, which happened before the Ukrainian army took control of the town. Four days after the Russian military left the city of Bucha there was not a single sign of any “atrocities”. I repeat – not a single reference to it, anywhere.

The infamous video depicting bodies on the city roads only appeared on April 3rd. It is full of discrepancies and blatant lies. According to its authors, the bodies were lying on the streets for at least 4 days by the time the video was filmed. However, the bodies are not stiffened. How is that possible? It is against the law of biology. The bodies do not have signs of decomposition known to forensic experts, including cadaver stains. The wounds contain no blood.

Another point illustrating that this video is fake.

The Ukrainian forces use either blue or yellow armlets or stripes. Because members of Ukrainian militia do not always wear military uniforms, local civilians in Bucha wore white stripes on their upper arms when the Russian forces were stationed in Bucha. That was done to prevent misidentification of civilians from members of militia. When the Ukrainian forces entered the town, they fired at the people with white stripes, killing the civilians. There is a video showing a conversation between members of Ukrainian units. It was published in social media by the so-called “territorial defense” – a radical nationalist fighting group. One of the radicals asks if he can shoot at the people without blue stripes. The other confirms that this is permissible.

Russian speakers know that, but let me translate for the rest of you:

Question behind the scene – «There are folks without blue bands, can I shoot them?»

Answer: «Of course».

I hope the evidence we demonstrated today leaves you with no illusion that the video circulated by the Kiev regime is a crude forgery. It does not stand any scrutiny. However, some Western leaders, for example German Federal Chancellor Olaf Scholz, French President Emmanuel Macron, and of course British Foreign Minister Liz Truss have already lined up to promote this false narrative.

What happened in Bucha is exactly a false flag attack by the Kiev regime and its Western sponsors. The possible goal of this provocation is horrifying and brings back the nightmares of the Nazi crimes during the Second World War.

Vladimir Zelensky, once he arrived in Bucha, hinted that this “incident” justifies any “uncivilized response”. By this basically he confirmed that the Kiev regime considers genocide as a method of warfare. Now the nationalists have a pretext to commit a real massacre of innocent Ukrainian people executing them as “traitors”. We want the world to stay alert and we call on the Council not to let these horrific cleansing to happen.

To conclude I would like to reiterate that the Russian military forces act in strict compliance with international humanitarian law and do not target civilians and civilian objects. If we were pursuing aggressive goals, like those of the US-led coalition in Iraq, the scale of losses and devastation would be worse by digits. Like in Raqqa and Mosul that were bombed by the US to ashes, killing thousands of civilians, including women and children, whose bodies were left unburied for weeks and even months.

You will hear more from me tomorrow, because more information is coming. I think that the truth about what happened in Bucha will reveal itself very soon.


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05 Apr 2022, 4:58 pm

Just gonna leave this here...



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05 Apr 2022, 5:01 pm

pootin has no credibility.
Simples. 8)



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05 Apr 2022, 6:08 pm

truth is the first casualty in any war.



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05 Apr 2022, 10:56 pm

Let's say the Ukraine wins the war and Russia pulls out. Does that mean NATO will lift the sanction afterwards and get the trade going back again?



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05 Apr 2022, 11:03 pm

i wonder about that, how eager western capitalist are ready to act like none of this happened. a pox on such capitalists.



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05 Apr 2022, 11:40 pm



Breaking down some of the people carrying water for Putin that aren't named Tucker.


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06 Apr 2022, 1:13 am

Pepe wrote:
pootin has no credibility.
Simples. 8)
He's a worthy descendant of a long tradition carried since first Tsars.
Ukrainians know it just like we (Poles) do - and they know the only way to deal with it is to invite as many mutually independent observers and investigators as possible.
Brave nation.


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06 Apr 2022, 1:23 am

why are folks like tucker carlson so pro-russian and so anti-ukrainian? [unless the rooskies are payin' him, of course]



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06 Apr 2022, 1:35 am

auntblabby wrote:
why are folks like tucker carlson so pro-russian and so anti-ukrainian? [unless the rooskies are payin' him, of course]
I don't know about carlson but when some 15 years ago one of Polish crazy rightwingers suddenly turned pro-Russian, my theory was that some agent - likely a beautiful woman complimenting him - was planted in his closest circle.
People with big ego are a piece of cake for manipulators.


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06 Apr 2022, 1:38 am

magz wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
why are folks like tucker carlson so pro-russian and so anti-ukrainian? [unless the rooskies are payin' him, of course]
I don't know about carlson but when some 15 years ago one of Polish crazy rightwingers suddenly turned pro-Russian, my theory was that some agent - likely a beautiful woman complimenting him - was planted in his closest circle.
People with big ego are a piece of cake for manipulators.

men like him who think with their little heads are just stoooopid.



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06 Apr 2022, 6:52 am

Also this from the BBC, in some detail -
Bucha killings: Satellite image of bodies site contradicts Russian claims


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06 Apr 2022, 6:53 am

magz wrote:
People with big ego are a piece of cake for manipulators.
Yep - cf. Trump, for example.


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06 Apr 2022, 6:57 am

ironpony wrote:
Let's say the Ukraine wins the war and Russia pulls out. Does that mean NATO will lift the sanction afterwards and get the trade going back again?
NATO hasn't imposed sanctions - that's not what it's about.

When the truth is finally seen by a majority of Russians - and it will, sooner or later - Putin is toast, and likely so is Russia as it currently exists.


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06 Apr 2022, 7:04 am

Cornflake wrote:
When the truth is finally seen by a majority of Russians - and it will - Putin is toast, and likely so is Russia as it currently exists.
It's not so easy. There's plenty of reports of people from Ukraine phoning their relatives in Russia, sending them pictures and videos and still being met with outright denial.

I don't know how it works but we remember it from both Tsarist and Soviet times. Somehow, it does work like that.


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06 Apr 2022, 8:17 am

magz wrote:
Cornflake wrote:
When the truth is finally seen by a majority of Russians - and it will - Putin is toast, and likely so is Russia as it currently exists.
It's not so easy. There's plenty of reports of people from Ukraine phoning their relatives in Russia, sending them pictures and videos and still being met with outright denial.  I don't know how it works but we remember it from both Tsarist and Soviet times.  Somehow, it does work like that.
It is the same mindset that denies the legitimacy of a fair and legal election, or the innocence of a man accused of rape without evidence.  Changing the minds of people who believe pleasant little lies is extremely difficult.