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27 Oct 2010, 1:47 pm

for the record curb stomping is when you force someone to put their open mouth on the curb(the curve of the edge of the road) and stomp on the back of their head causing severe injury to the teeth.

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curb-stomp

use something else next time you really freaked me out.



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27 Oct 2010, 2:46 pm

Just showed that footage on British TV (Channel 4 news) and two things are notable. One, that's assault, pure and simple. "Brownshirts" springs to mind.

Two: That "witch" woman couldn't run away fast enough when someone said it was British media trying to question her. Made me lol.


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27 Oct 2010, 3:15 pm

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/2010 ... ryone_else

People are comparing this to rape, but I think it's closer to what happens in domestic abuse; the abuser always says that it's the abused party's fault.
'She wouldn't give me the remote control. What did she expect?'
'He didn't come home on time. What did he expect?'

I repeat, this group was acting like a mob. The Tea Parties, in most of their various incarnations, are playing with fire by deliberately whipping up people's fear and hatred.



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27 Oct 2010, 3:24 pm

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One, that's assault, pure and simple.


And note how many people here are willing to either defend it directly or submit the whole ordeal to subterfuge and focus on how "they do it too!!".


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27 Oct 2010, 3:37 pm

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One, that's assault, pure and simple.


And note how many people here are willing to either defend it directly or submit the whole ordeal to subterfuge and focus on how "they do it too!!".


It all smells like its one step away from "Well, she's a woman. She should know her place." or some equally backward declaration.

Violence like this in politics is riddled with overtones of jackboots, and should have no place in sensible adult debate. When will the grown-ups be talking?


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27 Oct 2010, 5:34 pm

Nobody seems to answer whether or not I could do that to Obama.

When you bum rush somebody, it is a threatening act. Period. End of story.



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27 Oct 2010, 5:53 pm

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Nobody seems to answer whether or not I could do that to Obama.

When you bum rush somebody, it is a threatening act. Period. End of story.


And stamping on someone in such a fashion is categorically NOT the way to respond to such an act.


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27 Oct 2010, 6:17 pm

Macbeth wrote:
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Nobody seems to answer whether or not I could do that to Obama.

When you bum rush somebody, it is a threatening act. Period. End of story.


And stamping on someone in such a fashion is categorically NOT the way to respond to such an act.


I conceded that he should not of done that. If you watch the video you'll see that everyone around him, mostly Paul supporters, tell him to stop that immediately. I don't think he had malicious intent, pinning someone down with your foot or knee is something you see at the end of every Cops episode or police chase here in the US. Amateurs should not be restraining people but Rand Paul campaign volunteers should of never had to act as crowd control in the first place, where were the police?



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27 Oct 2010, 6:27 pm

Jacoby wrote:
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Nobody seems to answer whether or not I could do that to Obama.

When you bum rush somebody, it is a threatening act. Period. End of story.


And stamping on someone in such a fashion is categorically NOT the way to respond to such an act.


I conceded that he should not of done that. If you watch the video you'll see that everyone around him, mostly Paul supporters, tell him to stop that immediately. I don't think he had malicious intent, pinning someone down with your foot or knee is something you see at the end of every Cops episode or police chase here in the US. Amateurs should not be restraining people but Rand Paul campaign volunteers should of never had to act as crowd control in the first place, where were the police?


Watch carefully. When he first places his foot on her, it is light enough a contact that it could be a simple restraint manoeuvre. He then proceeds to stamp on her, shoving his foot downwards on to her with excessive force. THAT isn't restraint. It also isn't necessary as his colleage has her more than contained using his entire bodyweight.


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27 Oct 2010, 6:45 pm

Macbeth wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
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Nobody seems to answer whether or not I could do that to Obama.

When you bum rush somebody, it is a threatening act. Period. End of story.


And stamping on someone in such a fashion is categorically NOT the way to respond to such an act.


I conceded that he should not of done that. If you watch the video you'll see that everyone around him, mostly Paul supporters, tell him to stop that immediately. I don't think he had malicious intent, pinning someone down with your foot or knee is something you see at the end of every Cops episode or police chase here in the US. Amateurs should not be restraining people but Rand Paul campaign volunteers should of never had to act as crowd control in the first place, where were the police?


Watch carefully. When he first places his foot on her, it is light enough a contact that it could be a simple restraint manoeuvre. He then proceeds to stamp on her, shoving his foot downwards on to her with excessive force. THAT isn't restraint. It also isn't necessary as his colleage has her more than contained using his entire bodyweight.


While I agree it was unnecessary, I don't think he was trying to hurt her. It just looks like a slip once people tell him to cut that out. What you you call excessive force looks pretty weak to me. He did not come down with any significant weight but whatever, it was an unfortunate incident. I don't care about this one guy as long as people can differentiate between him and Rand Paul + all of his other supporters. The media has been trying to use this as a smear against Dr. Paul to save Jack Conway's dying campaign.



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27 Oct 2010, 6:47 pm

Jacoby wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Nobody seems to answer whether or not I could do that to Obama.

When you bum rush somebody, it is a threatening act. Period. End of story.


And stamping on someone in such a fashion is categorically NOT the way to respond to such an act.


I conceded that he should not of done that. If you watch the video you'll see that everyone around him, mostly Paul supporters, tell him to stop that immediately. I don't think he had malicious intent, pinning someone down with your foot or knee is something you see at the end of every Cops episode or police chase here in the US. Amateurs should not be restraining people but Rand Paul campaign volunteers should of never had to act as crowd control in the first place, where were the police?


Watch carefully. When he first places his foot on her, it is light enough a contact that it could be a simple restraint manoeuvre. He then proceeds to stamp on her, shoving his foot downwards on to her with excessive force. THAT isn't restraint. It also isn't necessary as his colleage has her more than contained using his entire bodyweight.


While I agree it was unnecessary, I don't think he was trying to hurt her. It just looks like a slip once people tell him to cut that out. What you you call excessive force looks pretty weak to me. He did not come down with any significant weight but whatever, it was an unfortunate incident. I don't care about this one guy as long as people can differentiate between him and Rand Paul + all of his other supporters. The media has been trying to use this as a smear against Dr. Paul to save Jack Conway's dying campaign.


Not been stamped on before? Or stamped on someone? That's excessive force right there.


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27 Oct 2010, 6:55 pm

Can't say I have. If the guy wanted to hurt her tho, he could of hurt her a whole lot more is what I was trying to say. I don't know what was going through the guy's head, it looked small enough to have been a slip to me.



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27 Oct 2010, 7:06 pm

this is why everyone(correctly) thinks politics sucks, this man sucks and it has either nothing or barely anything to do with his party.(I'm referencing the comments on most of the articles I've read about this story, and a few of the posts in this thread)

@jacoby he very clearly used his muscles also his body didn't move with his leg, it wasn't a slip.



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27 Oct 2010, 7:10 pm

Jacoby wrote:
Can't say I have. If the guy wanted to hurt her tho, he could of hurt her a whole lot more is what I was trying to say. I don't know what was going through the guy's head, it looked small enough to have been a slip to me.


I've used a similar technique to restrain large drunken brawling gentlemen, and it really doesn't take very much force at all to prevent someone from rising. By the look of it, he's wanting to get a little stomp in whilst he has the chance, perhaps thinking nobody would notice or mind.


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27 Oct 2010, 9:45 pm

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The guy apologized and has since been dismissed as a volunteer and banned from future events. What more do you want?

Apparently what this guy (and I applaud your avoiding the word man) wants is an apology; after all, if she hadn't come to the debate to exercise her freedom of speech, he wouldn't have had to restrain her and stomp on her. Now look at all the inconvenience he's facing because of this liberal trying to crush freedom!
The Washington Post wrote:
"Profitt said the attack was 'not a big deal,' that Lauren 'instigated it' and that 'she should apologize' -- words that are eerily familiar to many women who have faced assault and abuse,"
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/10/woman-stomped-outside-rand-pau.html



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27 Oct 2010, 10:35 pm

Charging somebody isn't freedom of speech for the hundredth time.