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20 Nov 2010, 3:39 pm

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On that day the Incompetent shall rule us..

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In all fairness you should have also posted a picture of Jimmy Carter.

Carter will rank as one of our worst presidents.

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20 Nov 2010, 4:04 pm

Just put both pictures. it will show that incompetence is bipartisan.


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20 Nov 2010, 5:35 pm

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/maybe Orwell and Awesomelyglorious will enjoy the read?

I haven't read through the whole thing yet, but it is interesting to see a psychologist rejecting the seemingly-standard assumption of the field that conservatism is innately some kind of mental debility.

Yeah, I actually was avoiding the thread for awhile. Not that I hate politics, just that often I don't find myself compelled to read threads that I expect will be used to degrade other beliefs by attacking the believers themselves more than the idea.

I think the article was interesting. I cannot identify with the conservative mindset though. I feel that I am the out-group, I have some purity instincts but I have a lot of instincts praising the lack of concern for it. I am an outright anti-authoritarian. I cannot get along well with authorities. (Note: By "cannot get along well", I do mean that I can hold a job, and I can give token respect for a boss, I just cannot intellectually submit. I play my role, but if I was actually "myself", I would rub an entirely bad direction with these folks.)


You can get along with a strong anti-immigration policy. That authority did not seem to upset you.

I am confused. I know my political opinions have changed(even significantly) over the years, and so anything over 3-4 years old is probably not valid. I also know that I have posted things that are not serious. I generally don't get your reference though.

As it stands, I am not sure how the explicit invocation of a particular policy choice also stands against my statement. I mean, here's the possibilities, while maintaining distrust of authority:
1) The perceived marginal benefit of a strong anti-immigration policy exceeds the marginal cost, even for a person who dislikes authority. Part of the justification being that anti-immigration usually is an authority over the actions of those ENTERING the nation, not those inside of it.
2) Immigrant voters are destructive to the political structure, perhaps by favoring policies that increase power of authorities.

Honestly, I would bet that your reference is just extremely dated. I know I haven't talked much on immigration recently. I also find myself somewhat offended at having this reference(which I am certain is very old) thrown at me in a thread where the issue is not relevant.



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20 Nov 2010, 6:11 pm

ruveyn wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
On that day the Incompetent shall rule us..

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In all fairness you should have also posted a picture of Jimmy Carter.

Carter will rank as one of our worst presidents.

ruveyn



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20 Nov 2010, 7:09 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Wedge wrote:
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skafather84 wrote:
/maybe Orwell and Awesomelyglorious will enjoy the read?

I haven't read through the whole thing yet, but it is interesting to see a psychologist rejecting the seemingly-standard assumption of the field that conservatism is innately some kind of mental debility.

Yeah, I actually was avoiding the thread for awhile. Not that I hate politics, just that often I don't find myself compelled to read threads that I expect will be used to degrade other beliefs by attacking the believers themselves more than the idea.

I think the article was interesting. I cannot identify with the conservative mindset though. I feel that I am the out-group, I have some purity instincts but I have a lot of instincts praising the lack of concern for it. I am an outright anti-authoritarian. I cannot get along well with authorities. (Note: By "cannot get along well", I do mean that I can hold a job, and I can give token respect for a boss, I just cannot intellectually submit. I play my role, but if I was actually "myself", I would rub an entirely bad direction with these folks.)


You can get along with a strong anti-immigration policy. That authority did not seem to upset you.

I am confused. I know my political opinions have changed(even significantly) over the years, and so anything over 3-4 years old is probably not valid. I also know that I have posted things that are not serious. I generally don't get your reference though.

As it stands, I am not sure how the explicit invocation of a particular policy choice also stands against my statement. I mean, here's the possibilities, while maintaining distrust of authority:
1) The perceived marginal benefit of a strong anti-immigration policy exceeds the marginal cost, even for a person who dislikes authority. Part of the justification being that anti-immigration usually is an authority over the actions of those ENTERING the nation, not those inside of it.
2) Immigrant voters are destructive to the political structure, perhaps by favoring policies that increase power of authorities.

Honestly, I would bet that your reference is just extremely dated. I know I haven't talked much on immigration recently. I also find myself somewhat offended at having this reference(which I am certain is very old) thrown at me in a thread where the issue is not relevant.


Ok, I'm sorry. It was not one of my best comments.



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20 Nov 2010, 8:29 pm

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Ok, I'm sorry. It was not one of my best comments.

Right, well, I was just thrown off because my actual beliefs for the last two years have tended to be relatively pro-immigration. I know I have gone through an authoritarian period, partially as a result of trying to systemize the cultural conclusions I had received growing up, but that still does not mean that I've actually gotten along well with authority. While I might be better than some groups, compared to peers, I am not very good.



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21 Nov 2010, 8:56 pm

What makes people vote Republican? The answer to that question is "Demons from Hell".



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21 Nov 2010, 11:54 pm

There's really a spectrum of people who vote republican. This article only mentions the "God and Country" republican voters. It neglects to mention the younger generation Randroids or the paranoid anti-government types.



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21 Nov 2010, 11:56 pm

skafather84 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
On that day the Incompetent shall rule us..

ruveyn


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In all fairness you should have also posted a picture of Jimmy Carter.

Carter will rank as one of our worst presidents.

ruveyn



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Actually, you should put Obama's picture up and take Bush's picture off. Bush is looking like one of our greatest Presidents in the history of the country compared to the bozo currently in the White House.

You know if we had another 9/11 style attack I think this President would use it to go after the American People instead of the terrorists.



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22 Nov 2010, 12:41 am

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There's really a spectrum of people who vote republican. This article only mentions the "God and Country" republican voters. It neglects to mention the younger generation Randroids or the paranoid anti-government types.


I think the groups you mention come from the same places and the only really cynical bunch of the lot would be the wall street republicans who support the government so long as they keep protecting wall street. I think that cynical bunch of republican voters weren't accounted for in the article.


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22 Nov 2010, 12:44 am

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It still has the same elitist attitude that was why the Dems got their heads handed to them.



Quit lying and actually read the article.


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Seriously, I'm not lying. If you actually look at the wording you can tell what the attitude of the individual whom wrote the piece was. It was an elitist attitude.

Hilarity like the exchange you just participated in is a significant part of why "liberal elitists" have that sort of attitude towards you and people like you.

Seriously, the guy spent almost the entire article criticizing his own worldview and political allies while defending groups with values very different from his own. The slams on Republicans in the first paragraph or two were included to prove a point about the mislabeling he was criticizing.

I don't know if you actually just skimmed the article, got bored halfway through, or simply have terrible reading comprehension. In any case, the resulting couple pages of arguments against completely imagined attacks was highly amusing.


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22 Nov 2010, 12:46 am

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There's really a spectrum of people who vote republican. This article only mentions the "God and Country" republican voters. It neglects to mention the younger generation Randroids or the paranoid anti-government types.


I think the groups you mention come from the same places and the only really cynical bunch of the lot would be the wall street republicans who support the government so long as they keep protecting wall street. I think that cynical bunch of republican voters weren't accounted for in the article.


How about the fact that at least President George W. Bush didn't violate the law whenever he felt like it. When President Bush did something you guys whine about, he did it to protect this country, we didn't know if another plane was going to be flown into a building it could have been a sustained wave. He took steps to defend this country, when he went after Saddam he did so based on the intel he had at the time and to protect this country.

When Obama does something questionable it is usually to pay off one of his cronies.



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22 Nov 2010, 1:15 am

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I don't know if you actually just skimmed the article, got bored halfway through, or simply have terrible reading comprehension. In any case, the resulting couple pages of arguments against completely imagined attacks was highly amusing.



I think his own bias prevents him from being able to actually read the article in any academic sense. He perceives it as an attack on his ideology and so he'll create it and any responses to it as such.


Kinda interesting in the sense of just how much reality an individual can create for themselves but also kinda scary in how much an individual can ignore reality for their own means.


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22 Nov 2010, 1:17 am

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How about the fact that at least President George W. Bush didn't violate the law whenever he felt like it.



He invaded a country without enough merit to convince the governing body that established the initial terms of any second invasion. He additionally tortured people held under his establishment's custody and did not generate any evidence to justify such extreme measures.


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22 Nov 2010, 1:24 am

GWB is a war criminal by most accepted definitions; the only reason he and half of his administration have not been hauled into the Hague is that the rest of the world is afraid of us.



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22 Nov 2010, 1:58 am

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How about the fact that at least President George W. Bush didn't violate the law whenever he felt like it. When President Bush did something you guys whine about, he did it to protect this country, we didn't know if another plane was going to be flown into a building it could have been a sustained wave. He took steps to defend this country, when he went after Saddam he did so based on the intel he had at the time and to protect this country.

Actually, he decided to go ahead and attacked Iraq AFTER he was already informed that the previous intel was questionable. He was going to attack Iraq no matter what because Saddam had tried to kill his daddy and his wealthy corporate defense contractor handlers were salivating at the bit to go to war.
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When Obama does something questionable it is usually to pay off one of his cronies.

When Bush did something questionable it usually involved killing and torturing people.