Cut all the benefits/welfare, fix the economy

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Not the same thing as Personal Budgets for personal care, I'm afraid. Try not to compare like with unlike. Besides, a lot of the services people seek are NHS provided. Maybe we need an example? A day-centre providing generic support for a variety of problems costs the government a lot more per head, than it does to take each individual in that centre and provide tailored support to their specific needs. It also empowers those individuals, increases their confidence and general happiness, decreases waste and costs the tax-payer less. However not all health-care situations operate in the same way, and many ailments that the NHS deals with do not suit this model. For example, custom-building Ambulances to the individuals requirements would be ridiculous. An adaptable system saves more money than a monolithic hidebound one.

Charity income is not assured, or consistent. It relies on good-will, and in parlous times, charity contributions fall as people look to themselves. Look how little Children In Need made this year by comparison to some of the HUGE figures they made in previous years. Charity funding can provide useful one-off items, but it is not a good or stable system for providing continuous care. "Charities and such" simply cannot deal with the level of provision required. Not to mention the fact that Charities receive government money anyway. Your tax money goes to charities. Some of your tax is effectively a charitable donation.

There is no generic for Aspergers or its co-morbid problems. But to pick an example: many people with AS could pay someone to accompany them to places they would normally avoid on their own, thus allowing them to perform whatever activity might occur at that place. That's almost a quote from a DLA form as it happens. I'm not breaking it down any further than that. People with AS have problems. Go look in the Haven or the Finding a Job forum for examples. Its no fault of those people if the DWP decides to move the goalposts as a money-saving exercise.

Maybe not, but it's a wonder we don't have to use wheelchairs, with the amount of impairments AS has.
I think it would take all day and all night to write down every symptom of AS, and the book would probably be about 5, 000 pages long

I hate this country - and I know I'm doing to die by living in this s**thole. The government are going to cut all the mental health care so I can't get any help with my demented s**t called Aspergers, and I don't want to work anywhere where I've got to deal with people because I HATE people and they hate me, and I give off this ugly Aspie vibes so people all act like little children and point and laugh at me and go, ''heh heh heh heh look at that stupid girl heh heh heh heh we're all NTs and she's weird, let's act like juveniles and point and laugh at that ugly mug walking along trying to act normal, heh heh heh heh....'' very f*****g funny, you horrible public mob, a ''heh heh heh heh'' to all of you too.
And the govenment are going to cut my dad's job next year - I KNOW it. So we're not going to afford heating - so we will all freeze to death because we won't be able to afford to pay the gas bill because is has to be so high, and on top of all these cut backs, our winters are getting colder and colder so we NEED jobs to keep us busy, and to stop us being at home with the heating on, and we need money to pay these bills in order to have heating.

Really hate the f*****g government and I wish I could just go and kick their f*****g heads in, because that's what they desserve.

And is this me or just great timing - the way our winters have got colder since the recession has started? I reckon those f*****s (the government) are getting people to ship tons and tons of ice from the Atlantic near Greenland into the sea between France and Britain so that we can have extra cold winters, so that the people who are kicked out of their jobs then on the streets (because they can't afford to pay the MASSIVE bills) will die quickly in the cold. They're doing anything to make this country hell to live in. Clever bastards.

I am with you Joe90. The United Kingdom is a hellhole. Ya can't do nothing anymore without people interfering in your business and people go well out of their way to make you feel bad. The government and the banks are just bloodsuckers draining the public dry. I wouldn't wish anyone to live here or be born here, I feel sorry for all them babies being born in our hospitals. Poor little mites, they don't yet realise that they are going to pay their parents' debts long after their parents are dead.

Oh shut up you two, sounding like you have it bad. Yes our old government was s**t, and in many ways, our new one is too, but spare a thought for third world countries which are full of poverty and you'll realise that people in the UK, who have everything given to them by the people who do honest work, actually lead quite good lives.

With my ADD I can't do superior study or doing a repetitive job without be driven nut; I guess that with such a economy I should either be supported by my familie or dying somewhere alone in the streets.

I said somewhere earlier in the thread that care for people who really are too disabled to work (not Aspies who sit on their ass all day and use their condition as an excuse, but people who have an actual medical reason for not being able to do any sort of job) would be looked after by charities instead of the state.

Start of a slippery slope. Also "everything" is a bit of a push. Its pure media hyperbole that everybody on benefits gets thousands of pounds for nothing.

Besides, the fact that like is s**t in Uganda really has no bearing on a nation thousands of miles away. Poor people in the states tend to have bigger houses than poor people in the UK, but they're still poor by local standards.

"Sparing a thought" for s**thole countries is one of the reasons we are in debt. Ring-fenced international aid to s**thole nations is a waste of public money, and of very little help to those people who really need it. And why are the poor of a nation with a bigger army and a nuclear program like India more deserving of tax-payers cash than the indigenous variety?

I agree with this, and many of the other points made in your post too. I just think that people complaining that their country - not their lifestyle or their house, but their COUNTRY - is a s**thole when it gives them s**t for free, is utterly stupid, and these people need to get a grip on reality.

But most third world countries are hot so anyone who are homeless (which most of them are) can survive living outside.
Yes, there are diseases out in those poor countries, but there are diseases here too. And I've known 5 people this year who have gone into hospital to have an operation and they've come out more ill because of poor hygeine in the hospitals. It's blaintently obvious.
And in the third world countries 98 percent of the people are all poor - but here this recession and cut backs are caused by greed. The government want to make the stinking rich people more richer, and the average people more poorer. That is discusting. They are chucking honest hard-working people on the dole, then they are punishing them for being on the dole, even when they're trying their best to look for work, and trying to keep their heads above water.


And don't tell others to shut up - you must understand that this is a discussion forum, not the Jeremy Kyle show. Please be careful with how you reply to people.



Instead of cutting all these jobs, why don't the government just ask every adult in the country to hand the government 2 pound each? Just think, 2 pound coming from every adult in the country - there are billions of people, and that would make upto double billion pounds (sorry, I can't do maths properly). That should make a start, and any debt they have left over can still be easily paid by cutting a few little jobs. I'm sure everyone in the country would rather hand out 2 quid each than half the population being thrown on the dole, eh? Just a thought.

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Well that's why they're raising the taxes.

And if you think living in a third world country isn't so bad and that the UK is such a s**thole, I suggest you move to one.

I wish! But there is no escape from this country - if someone wants to escape they have to have lots of money behind them. And if it were that possible and/or easy to just move to a different country, I'm sure most of the people (who are on low income or aren't smart enough not to succeed in anything like me) in this country would be doing that right now.

Not really, pay a few quid for an EasyJet flight and get your ass out of here if it's really that horrible. Good luck living on the streets with no government throwing free money at you.

Granted there are places worse and places better, but that still doesn't make life any better for people at the bottom of the pile anywhere.

Also, even if you (erroneously) believe that Aspergers does not prevent employment, there are still many co-morbid conditions that DO. (I saw ADD name-dropped somewhere up earlier.) Not to mention the attitude and ignorance of many potential employers or indeed the media-driven ignorance of anyone you may meet in life anywhere. Assumptions about what AS is by employers can lead to all manner of difficulties. My old employer had a tendency to make us (my partner and I) do most, if not all of the cleaning because he assumed that our OCD would make us want to do it. Quite apart from the fact that neither of us is particularly stricken with OCD, it meant we were stuck doing more than we got paid to do. His belief in our Rainman-like maths ability often left me right up s**t creek in a cardboard boat because I'm actually Dyscalculaic. Adversely, his belief that we were totally antisocial meant he was always peering over our shoulders when dealing with customers/bands, and would invariably think that if something had gone wrong, it was because of our LACK of skills, rather than the behaviour of a bunch of piss-heads. Thats just the top of a LONG list of issues, which should probably include the fact that it took us a long time to recognise that he was taking the piss because we couldn't detect the fact he was a two-faced bastard.

Just because someone on paper should be able to get a job, doesn't mean that our disability won't lose us that job, or get us abused by employers.

Its sad but unavoidable that so many "Jobs for The Disabled" in the UK are either meaningless make-work, or the lowest common denominator of job, because shoving trolleys around a car-park obviously makes Billy really happy. Look at him grinning. He must be happy. Can't be the fact that he lacks the skill or ability to tell you to shove your sh***y job up your ass. Nah.

Finally, on this "everyone must work" line....there are more unemployed people than jobs, and the market is flooded with skilled workers who have CVs and experience. That leaves all those people with problems, no qualifications worth toffee, and no experience thoroughly stuffed. Employment for everyone requires jobs for everyone to do.

British Prime Minister John Russell killed millions in the name of laissez faire economics and the primacy of the free market in the late-1840s. This surely belongs in the Black Book of Capitalism.

A lot of people in Hong Kong have housekeepers, cooks, nannies, etc. If tax rates are low, you can afford to pay a lot more per hour for help with tasks you'd otherwise have to do yourself.