Abortion and the Bible

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There was no world-wide flood.

ruveyn

The distinction between Jew and Gentile was not nearly as strong during the time when most of the OT was written. It became much more prominent in the centuries leading up to the birth of Christ.

During the time of David, Gentiles were simply, non-Jews and they were treated as equals. Jews were even commanded to love Gentiles (Dut 10:19). Gentiles often served in the highest echelons of Israel's government, such as Uriah the Hittite, who was trusted warrior of David (2 Sam 11), Ittai the Gittite was the captain of David's Guard (2 Sam 18:2). During this time Gentiles had the right of refuge (Num 35:15). Some Gentiles also kept Israeli slaves (Lev 25:47). This relationship changed abruptly around the time of Antiochus IV and by the time of Christ, Gentiles were considered unclean.

Christ fulfilled, in part, the promise God made to Abraham in Genesis 12:3, In which all of the peoples of the Earth will be blessed through Abraham. The full promise obviously has not been fulfilled but Christ has continued it. The line between Jew and Gentile no lover matters in relation to the OT, it is a book for all those called to God's table.

Just wait until you start a topic on Tolkein. I'll be sure to point out that the Hobbit never really happened.

Of course no-one seriously believes that there was a world-wide flood. We're just debating the story line.

Duly noted. We are talking about fiction.

ruveyn

Yes. And, by the way, you Jews did come up with a really great book. Sorry, I've never read Tolkein.

Now, to summarize.

The Bible does not explicitly take a stand either in support of or against abortion.

Points in favour of abortion:

1. God's killing of David and Bathsheba's infant son is regarded by some parties as "good", using arguments identical to reasons why some mothers might chose to abort their fetuses.

2. God's killing of 70,000 innocent Israelites as punishment for David's Census shows that God is not averse to killing innocents. In the accounts of both Samuel and Chronicles, David laments "Oh God, I am the one who did wrong. I am the one who ordered the census. What have these poor people done? Lord, my God, punish me...and spare your people." David did the crime, and 70,000 people who were perfectly innocent were slaughtered.

3. God's wiping out almost all of the species, including those whose fathers had been angels, with a world-wide flood when he could just as well have sent Jesus earlier to die on the cross for everyone's misbehaviour/disobedience, shows that God doesn't really care a great deal about human life. Many of the people killed would have been infants and pregnant women.

Points against abortion:

God's killing of Onan for, you know, committing Onanism, may suggest that God doesn't really approve of contraception. By applying the "every sperm is sacred" argument, the prohibition against contraception could be extended to abortion.

you still forget this:


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it assumes that the pusher is not the husband... because only the husband can crave the pusher to be fined.... so... why should he do that if he himself is the pusher?

morale of that example:

the husband can cause an unborn to die without any punishment or consequences, which means that unborn life in itself has no value at all according to the bible.

it is the loss of the value of a future child-worker and pension-provider which is something worth to the husband, that has to be compensated for....

and if an unborn child is not of any value to the husband, he may push his pregnant wife at his harts content. not even she is of any significant value and her opinion on this matter is not accounted for.




my conclusion:

abortion is perfectly alright according to the bible... it is the husband... and nobody else.... who decides that. not even this god-thingy-thing.

But, suppose the woman is unmarried?

Well, then the fetus' child would be obliged to marry the woman, and could subsequently exercise his decision.

if there could be a fetus' child... the fetus never died in the first place...

so..

if the woman had no husband... than the dead of the unborn child is no problem. nobody can make a claim, and the case of the unborn is closed.

abortion is ok. no problem for the bible.

i rest my case....

Okay, our doctrine is now complete. We may safely burn at the stake anyone who disagrees.