How to peacefully disband The Illegimate State of Israel

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13 Apr 2011, 12:42 pm

A good start to peacefully disbanding Israel, is to keep the Armani lover Tony Blair out the Middle East's business.
The Vicar of St. Albion's has two Jewish friends Michael Levy (A peerage salesman) & Peter Mandelson (Prince of Darkness, Dark Lord of Spin) plus Rev. Blair is friendly with Israel's PM which he affectively calls an "armour-plated bullshitter".

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13 Apr 2011, 1:23 pm

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You dizzy from all the eye rolling yet? I'd grab a bucket now if you haven't already puked.

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13 Apr 2011, 1:32 pm

The only way Israel is going to be disbanded or dissolved is to kill every last Jew. That has been tried several times and each time has ended in miserable failure with those that attempted it. Look at what happened to Nazi Germany. Wrecked and dismembered with hardly one brick standing on top of another. Look at what happened to both Tsarist and Communist Russia. The the message from History is very simple --- do not f*ck with the Jews.

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14 Apr 2011, 12:44 am

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I'm probably to the left of the "leftist journalists" you decry. Besides, most of my knoweledge on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict doesn't come from the one-sided, sanitized coverage that American and Canadian media outlets give.

I don't listen to western commentary on Israel and Palestine, and I don't give any weight to the statements of the Palestinian terrorists. The Jews aren't going anywhere anyway. This is like their version of the Alamo.

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14 Apr 2011, 12:50 am

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It's the most effective thing Israel could come up with before they built the wall. If a guy knows their family is going to be far worse off if the blow themselves up, then you can keep the number of suicide bombers down to the young fanatics. If it becomes a big enough problem in a town, you lay waste to the town and not allow new construction materials in. Then everybody is worse off for their trouble and Israel slowly gets to eliminate places to hide and launch rockets from. The Palestinians could knock it off and their standard of living would eventually go up, but if they want to behave and live like cavemen, then Israel will have to oblige.

It seems your ship got technical difficulties and you accidentally did not land in reality but somewhere, very, very different.

It's pretty simple: arabs are barbarians and savages (and others are at heart but have lots of oil to sell and will become a problem once the wells run dry), and violence is the currency they understand best so that's what the Israelis use.

http://www.reelbadarabs.com/

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14 Apr 2011, 1:11 am

Subotai wrote:

John_Browning wrote:

Vexcalibur wrote:

John_Browning wrote:

It seems your ship got technical difficulties and you accidentally did not land in reality but somewhere, very, very different.

http://www.reelbadarabs.com/

Good call Subotai. I rather enjoyed that film, especially its description of 'Arabland'

Personally I don't think Israel should be disbanded. I think Palestine should become an independent state with an exclave (the Gaza Strip) and free passage between them. I also think Jerusalem should become an independent city akin to San Marino or The Vatican, as neither side will be happy with the other in control of it.

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15 Apr 2011, 7:01 pm

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As I recall, it wasn't the Jews who brought down the Tsarists or the Nazis. Rather, the Jews had the good fortune of having people seeking their destruction in conflict with other powerful forces and events.

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15 Apr 2011, 7:06 pm

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That's happened a rather lot throughout history, these coincidences of the enemies of the descendants of Jacob just happening to survive yet another attempt of people trying to destroy or assimilate them. Good fortune? I think it's a whole lot more than mere luck that the Jewish people have been around for more than 3500 years.

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15 Apr 2011, 7:13 pm

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Be that as it may, I believe the true "Israel" is not the physical state of modern Israel, but exists in the hearts of all true believers who live in God's grace. It's a spiritual matter, not one of ethnicity or political boundaries.

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15 Apr 2011, 7:47 pm

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No, you may not say that since it isn't true. The Jewish people are God's chosen people and God gave the land of Canaan to the descendants of Jacob, of which only the tribes of Levi, Benjamin, and Judah have kept their identity over the centuries since the Diaspora of the Jewish people from the provinces of Judea.

Okay, will all or most Jews in Israel who do good works go to heaven in End Times?

They will probably end up going to heaven at the end of everything.

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Oh blah, blah, blah, if you really think that the whole "brutalizing occupied population" is true then you are a media patsy of leftist journalist idiocy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reutergate

General gist is there in the wiki page, but I would argue the situation was far worse that what wikipedia would like to lead people to believe.

Oh and did you know there was another Reuters Photo scandal?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06/08 ... commandos/

Pictures:
http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/world/ ... l/#slide=1

Slides 1 and 2 are from the Flotila raid about a year ago, photos 3 and 4 are from 2006, and I can find the other photo to give a comparison to slide 4 if people would like to see it.

holy crap !??
the Reuters-gate is about photos reuters bought from a free-lance.
That pretty much makes it a non-story.
the real headline some dude in lebanon uses photo-shop and defrauds liberal media
lol

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15 Apr 2011, 7:53 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

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There is the Church, which has been grafted in, but then there is also the Jewish people proper. Israel as a nation is also Israel, although it's population is more diverse than only the former inhabitants of Judea returned after two millennia of the effects of the Diaspora. The Bible refers to the nation of Israel in various parts as well as to the people of Israel, the people being a unit of a larger whole. But the nation of Israel, as well as nations in general, are referred to as individuals often enough in prophecies and other speech. The Jewish people had been dispersed by the Romans and mistreated and exiled by so many people afterward, and then after the lunatic of Germany tries to systematically murder everyone of them is himself destroyed with his stupid little barbarians-pretending-to-be-Romans-except-even-more-xenophobic-and-arrogant empire, the Jewish people return to their former land and once the UN passed the resolution for the state of Israel in 1948 they became the first nation of its kind to return from the dust of history and then continue to kick butt every time their enemies continually gathered forces to attempted to kill them yet again. Israel may refer to the figurative tree into which God, through Christ, allows the Gentiles/Goyim to be grafted into, but there is also the literal nation of Israel.

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15 Apr 2011, 7:55 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

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There is the Church, which has been grafted in, but then there is also the Jewish people proper. Israel as a nation is also Israel, although it's population is more diverse than only the former inhabitants of Judea returned after two millennia of the effects of the Diaspora. The Bible refers to the nation of Israel in various parts as well as to the people of Israel, the people being a unit of a larger whole. But the nation of Israel, as well as nations in general, are referred to as individuals often enough in prophecies and other speech. The Jewish people had been dispersed by the Romans and mistreated and exiled by so many people afterward, and then after the lunatic of Germany tries to systematically murder everyone of them is himself destroyed with his stupid little barbarians-pretending-to-be-Romans-except-even-more-xenophobic-and-arrogant empire, the Jewish people return to their former land and once the UN passed the resolution for the state of Israel in 1948 they became the first nation of its kind to return from the dust of history and then continue to kick butt every time their enemies continually gathered forces to attempted to kill them yet again. Israel may refer to the figurative tree into which God, through Christ, allows the Gentiles/Goyim to be grafted into, but there is also the literal nation of Israel.

The Church is a bunch of Gentiles suffering from Chosen People Envy.

I will give you a hint.

I am a true Jew and you are not.

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15 Apr 2011, 8:01 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:

The Church is a bunch of Gentiles suffering from Chosen People Envy.

I will give you a hint.

I am a true Jew and you are not.

ruveyn

Yes, I'm not Jewish, I'm ethnically French and Irish and religiously Christian. So what? If I have envy, then is that so wrong? Certainly if I have a form of envy, at least my form of envy of God's Chosen People isn't as horrible as the "envy" of those lunatics in the desert who run around chanting "exterminate" like Daleks who have spent too much time smoking something they probably shouldn't.

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15 Apr 2011, 8:06 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:

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I suspect you're an evangelical by your theology. As I am a mainline Protestant, my theology differs from yours.

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15 Apr 2011, 8:16 pm

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I suspect you're an evangelical by your theology. As I am a mainline Protestant, my theology differs from yours.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

I'm not part of a denomination, but yes your theology differs from mine if you think that the reborn nation of Israel isn't Israel.

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15 Apr 2011, 8:19 pm

ruveyn wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

The Church is a bunch of Gentiles suffering from Chosen People Envy.

I will give you a hint.

I am a true Jew and you are not.

ruveyn

As a matter of fact, I do apparently have a little Jewish ancestry on my mother's side. But so what? Most of my ancestors weren't shipped off on a diaspora by the Romans; rather, they stood with Arminius and gained victory over the Romans when they were the most powerful nation in the world in the battle of the Teutoberg Forest, and freed themselves from Rome's rule. A few centuries later, they had replaced the Romans in the west, after the empire had rotted and collapsed from within. Then rebuilt the western world anew in the ruins of the Dark Ages upon colonizing Europe, from which modern western European nation-states have emerged.

I'm German, and I think my tribe's pretty damn impressive without ever claiming to be anyone's chosen people.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

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