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How do you regard Ron Paul's economic ideas?
He is my hero 10%  10%  [ 5 ]
I adore his ideas 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
I agree with him more than I disagree 27%  27%  [ 13 ]
Meh, I can take his ideas or leave them. 4%  4%  [ 2 ]
He has some good points, but is mostly wrong 17%  17%  [ 8 ]
He is a complete and utter quack, when it comes to economics 25%  25%  [ 12 ]
He is a threat to the nation 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
He is a threat to the world 4%  4%  [ 2 ]
Ron who? 10%  10%  [ 5 ]
Total votes : 48

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14 Oct 2012, 1:33 am

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Anyone bring up Paul's association with white supremacists, yet?
In case you're wondering, I think that association is a bad thing.

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It's about as real as Obama being a Muslim is real.


I actually recall seeing him appearing in a photo with the head of Stormfront, and his son, both of whom were contributors to the Paul campaign. Then there are the racist statements made in his newsletter.
Personally, I hope he's not a bigot.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


politicians take pictures with lots of people, that doesn't mean they endorse their beliefs or even know who they are. I attended a relatively small event with Barack Obama in person before he became president and if someone snapped a picture of us two, that wouldn't mean he endorses my beliefs or knows who I am.

Bringing up a debunked dead issue is just low. Personally, you hope he's not? Ya, I bet.


As a matter of fact, I do hope he's not. He comes across as genuine in his convictions, even though I don't agree with them, and seems to be very personable as an individual.
Who knows, maybe he really doesn't know those two Stormfront a**holes, even though it was their implication that he did.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6C-mU2dVy0

The whole newsletter thing had been thoroughly debunked and was only brought up again when Ron was polling in 1st in Iowa. The media did their hatchet job and orchestrated a fake Santorum surge.

I never heard that implication that those guys knew Ron Paul, I don't think anybody ever asserted that. Politicians take pictures with people everywhere they go pretty much all day, they don't check everybody's background. Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama have taken pictures with rather shady characters as well, it happens.



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14 Oct 2012, 1:43 am

Jacoby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Anyone bring up Paul's association with white supremacists, yet?
In case you're wondering, I think that association is a bad thing.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


It's about as real as Obama being a Muslim is real.


I actually recall seeing him appearing in a photo with the head of Stormfront, and his son, both of whom were contributors to the Paul campaign. Then there are the racist statements made in his newsletter.
Personally, I hope he's not a bigot.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


politicians take pictures with lots of people, that doesn't mean they endorse their beliefs or even know who they are. I attended a relatively small event with Barack Obama in person before he became president and if someone snapped a picture of us two, that wouldn't mean he endorses my beliefs or knows who I am.

Bringing up a debunked dead issue is just low. Personally, you hope he's not? Ya, I bet.


As a matter of fact, I do hope he's not. He comes across as genuine in his convictions, even though I don't agree with them, and seems to be very personable as an individual.
Who knows, maybe he really doesn't know those two Stormfront a**holes, even though it was their implication that he did.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6C-mU2dVy0

The whole newsletter thing had been thoroughly debunked and was only brought up again when Ron was polling in 1st in Iowa. The media did their hatchet job and orchestrated a fake Santorum surge.

I never heard that implication that those guys knew Ron Paul, I don't think anybody ever asserted that. Politicians take pictures with people everywhere they go pretty much all day, they don't check everybody's background. Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama have taken pictures with rather shady characters as well, it happens.


To think, there are people who would prefer a loon like Santorum to a gentleman like Paul - and I do sincerely mean it when I call him a gentleman. I actually like him a great deal more than I like his kid.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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14 Oct 2012, 1:49 am

Ignorant liberals in this thread.


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14 Oct 2012, 3:35 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Anyone bring up Paul's association with white supremacists, yet?
In case you're wondering, I think that association is a bad thing.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


It's about as real as Obama being a Muslim is real.


I actually recall seeing him appearing in a photo with the head of Stormfront, and his son, both of whom were contributors to the Paul campaign. Then there are the racist statements made in his newsletter.
Personally, I hope he's not a bigot.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


politicians take pictures with lots of people, that doesn't mean they endorse their beliefs or even know who they are. I attended a relatively small event with Barack Obama in person before he became president and if someone snapped a picture of us two, that wouldn't mean he endorses my beliefs or knows who I am.

Bringing up a debunked dead issue is just low. Personally, you hope he's not? Ya, I bet.


As a matter of fact, I do hope he's not. He comes across as genuine in his convictions, even though I don't agree with them, and seems to be very personable as an individual.
Who knows, maybe he really doesn't know those two Stormfront a**holes, even though it was their implication that he did.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6C-mU2dVy0

The whole newsletter thing had been thoroughly debunked and was only brought up again when Ron was polling in 1st in Iowa. The media did their hatchet job and orchestrated a fake Santorum surge.

I never heard that implication that those guys knew Ron Paul, I don't think anybody ever asserted that. Politicians take pictures with people everywhere they go pretty much all day, they don't check everybody's background. Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama have taken pictures with rather shady characters as well, it happens.


To think, there are people who would prefer a loon like Santorum to a gentleman like Paul - and I do sincerely mean it when I call him a gentleman. I actually like him a great deal more than I like his kid.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Rand isn't terrible but he is 'playing the game' with the GOP that Ron never did. I worry about him sometimes cozying up to the establishment but maybe 'playing the game' will take him further in the long run I dunno. Rand appeals more to the traditional conservative base despite advocating most of what his father does.



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14 Oct 2012, 7:18 am

What I like about Ron Paul is that he takes the naive position that the anti-state stuff is genuine. His anti-state talk is pretty much consistent (I know he's anti-abortion, for example, not sure of any other meddling he's in favour of), as opposed to opportunistic. As such, he shows up the mainstream rightwing anti-state talk as the rhetoric it is.

What I dislike about him is pretty much everything, though he's talked a good anti-war talk.



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14 Oct 2012, 9:55 am

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What I like about Ron Paul is that he takes the naive position that the anti-state stuff is genuine. His anti-state talk is pretty much consistent (I know he's anti-abortion, for example, not sure of any other meddling he's in favour of), as opposed to opportunistic. As such, he shows up the mainstream rightwing anti-state talk as the rhetoric it is.

What I dislike about him is pretty much everything, though he's talked a good anti-war talk.


He thinks abortion should be up to the state.


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14 Oct 2012, 9:56 am

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What I like about Ron Paul is that he takes the naive position that the anti-state stuff is genuine. His anti-state talk is pretty much consistent (I know he's anti-abortion, for example, not sure of any other meddling he's in favour of), as opposed to opportunistic. As such, he shows up the mainstream rightwing anti-state talk as the rhetoric it is.

What I dislike about him is pretty much everything, though he's talked a good anti-war talk.


He thinks abortion should be up to the state.


That is why I reject Ron Paul. A woman's body and ALL its contents are her property. That includes live fetuses.

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14 Oct 2012, 10:41 am

Bizarroworld - I'm in agreement with Ruveyn.

I didn't say it very clearly - sorry. Whilst he's far more consistently anti-state than those who simply employ the rhetoric, he's still for its interference in women's bodies.

In Libertopia, there's a pregnant woman starving to death. What Would Ron Do...



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14 Oct 2012, 10:43 am

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Bizarroworld - I'm in agreement with Ruveyn.

I didn't say it very clearly - sorry. Whilst he's far more consistently anti-state than those who simply employ the rhetoric, he's still for its interference in women's bodies.

In Libertopia, there's a pregnant woman starving to death. What Would Ron Do...


Either voluntarily give her food or voluntarily let her starve. In any case it would be voluntarily.

Which is the entire point of the libertarian movement.

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14 Oct 2012, 1:24 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Anyone bring up Paul's association with white supremacists, yet?
In case you're wondering, I think that association is a bad thing.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


The current POTUS has a past too..
As much as he tried to hide it..
RP has not tried to hide anything..
I am guessing he has not much to hide..
As a Libertarian i have an open mind towards
all groups .. until they do something i see I
must take a side on..
Example: Fed gov has created large debt & inflation..
I am totally against this..
Do you have any idea why I am against this?



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14 Oct 2012, 3:05 pm

I could never vote for a Republican (it's all I can do to vote for the people who half-@ss pretend to be progressives) but I wouldn't mind a Ron Paul Presidency nearly so much.
The state of the nation would be a lot more secure if people like him dominated the Right. His son is cut from the same cloth as the rest of that gravy boat, however (I should know- he's my Junior Senator).

But I have a great admiration for anyone, "leftist" or "rightist", or what have you, who is willing to speak the Unspeakable.


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14 Oct 2012, 3:44 pm

MayBitsu wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Anyone bring up Paul's association with white supremacists, yet?
In case you're wondering, I think that association is a bad thing.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


The current POTUS has a past too..
As much as he tried to hide it..
RP has not tried to hide anything..
I am guessing he has not much to hide..
As a Libertarian i have an open mind towards
all groups .. until they do something i see I
must take a side on..
Example: Fed gov has created large debt & inflation..
I am totally against this..
Do you have any idea why I am against this?


The President's so called "past" is the fevered dreams of the fanatical right.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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14 Oct 2012, 4:09 pm

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The President's so called "past" is the fevered dreams of the fanatical right.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Your buddy Barak was mentored with the ideas of Saul Alinsky, who was a hate America trouble maker and an agitator.

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14 Oct 2012, 4:33 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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The President's so called "past" is the fevered dreams of the fanatical right.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Your buddy Barak was mentored with the ideas of Saul Alinsky, who was a hate America trouble maker and an agitator.

ruveyn


Doesn't mean the President has to accept everything Saul said.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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14 Oct 2012, 10:53 pm

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What I like about Ron Paul is that he takes the naive position that the anti-state stuff is genuine. His anti-state talk is pretty much consistent (I know he's anti-abortion, for example, not sure of any other meddling he's in favour of), as opposed to opportunistic. As such, he shows up the mainstream rightwing anti-state talk as the rhetoric it is.

What I dislike about him is pretty much everything, though he's talked a good anti-war talk.


So you are anti Constitution?
and pro NDAA and the police state?



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15 Oct 2012, 4:39 am

MayBitsu wrote:
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What I like about Ron Paul is that he takes the naive position that the anti-state stuff is genuine. His anti-state talk is pretty much consistent (I know he's anti-abortion, for example, not sure of any other meddling he's in favour of), as opposed to opportunistic. As such, he shows up the mainstream rightwing anti-state talk as the rhetoric it is.

What I dislike about him is pretty much everything, though he's talked a good anti-war talk.


So you are anti Constitution?
and pro NDAA and the police state?


I have not read the constitution of the USA, nor do I know what NDAA is. I am generally not in favour of a police state anywhere.

You'll be glad to know people in the UK still don't get to vote in the US election. As such, my knowledge of his policies is limited.

My remark was more about how he takes anti-state talk at face value, and that that shows up much anti-state talk as hot air. Much right wing anti-state talk (we get it plenty in the UK) is actually about reshaping/using the state for the benefit of the rich. The state is not 'shrunk' so much as functions that helped the working (and now middle) class are removed, and anything profitable is sold off - or rather, contracted out, so the state will still pick up the tab if somthing goes wrong - to the friends of government ministers.