Is Media Matters guilty of cheating on taxes?
Inuyasha wrote:
To throw that back in your face, look at the 1st Amendment of the United States Constitution, the fact Media Matters has tax exempt status, is like saying they are being endorsed by the Federal Government to try to deprive a news agency of their 1st Amendment rights.
Not in the slightest.
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
People can do anything that no law explicity prohibits.
Except laws are being explicitly violated.
No they aren't.
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
There is no law against a tax-exempt organization declaring "war" on Fox News (so long as the "war" is carried out within the limitations of the law--no murdering, kidnapping, etc.), and there is no law against a tax-exempt organization engaging in a partisan hit job on a news corporation.
They also said they would resort to sabotage, which would be illegal.
That would depend on what the sabotage entailed.
Quote:
The liberal group Media Matters has quietly transformed itself in preparation for what its founder, David Brock, described in an interview as an all-out campaign of “guerrilla warfare and sabotage” aimed at the Fox News Channel.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/03 ... z1clkhTaBn
— is working to chip away at Fox and its parent company, News Corp. They include its bread-and-butter distribution of embarrassing clips and attempts to rebut Fox points, as well as a series of under-the-radar tactics.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/03 ... z1clizpybg
The group will “focus on [News Corp. CEO Rupert] Murdoch and trying to disrupt his commercial interests — whether that be here or looking at what’s going on in London right now,” Brock said,
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/03 ... z1clim2sWF
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/03 ... z1clkhTaBn
— is working to chip away at Fox and its parent company, News Corp. They include its bread-and-butter distribution of embarrassing clips and attempts to rebut Fox points, as well as a series of under-the-radar tactics.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/03 ... z1clizpybg
The group will “focus on [News Corp. CEO Rupert] Murdoch and trying to disrupt his commercial interests — whether that be here or looking at what’s going on in London right now,” Brock said,
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/03 ... z1clim2sWF
So far you haven't identified anything that would be illegal.
Inuyasha wrote:
So seriously, drop the partisan act where you are trying to protect Media Matters.
I am not protecting Media Matters.
Inuyasha wrote:
we're basically having our government endorsing a left wing partisan agency, by the simple fact they don't have to pay taxes.
That claim is ludicrous.
Inuyasha wrote:
Heed your own advice, Fox News is not tax-exempt, MSNBC is not tax-exempt, CNN is not tax-exempt; Media Matters is tax exempt.
Doesn't matter.
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Quote:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
By your logic, if an entity's tax-exempt status equals "government endorsement", then the government would be violating our first amendment by granting tax-exempt status to churches.
Since they apply that to all churches, mosques, etc. you don't have a case.
Actually, you're the one without a case. The case was closed.
Inuyasha wrote:
That is not the case with Media Matters, because Media Research Center has not declared war on the mainstream media, nor have they planned to sabotage MSNBC or CNN.
What is not the case?
Inuyasha wrote:
You are not a judge, you aren't remotely objective on this, so drop the act. In fact you act more like a Defense Attorney than a Judge.
Be careful, or I'll hold you in contempt again.
In summary, repeating a lie, over and over again, even a million times, does not eventually make the lie true, outside of your own mind.
Through constant repetition, you may eventually cause your society to accept the lie as a part of its conventional wisdom. But, it is still a lie, none-the-less.
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
To throw that back in your face, look at the 1st Amendment of the United States Constitution, the fact Media Matters has tax exempt status, is like saying they are being endorsed by the Federal Government to try to deprive a news agency of their 1st Amendment rights.
Not in the slightest.
Just cause you say something pandabear, doesn't make it true. Real lawyers (which you probably don't even have a law license) have filed a complaint, I think they know more than you do on the topic.
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
People can do anything that no law explicity prohibits.
Except laws are being explicitly violated.
No they aren't.
The fact you choose to deny something is happening, doesn't mean it isn't happening.
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
There is no law against a tax-exempt organization declaring "war" on Fox News (so long as the "war" is carried out within the limitations of the law--no murdering, kidnapping, etc.), and there is no law against a tax-exempt organization engaging in a partisan hit job on a news corporation.
They also said they would resort to sabotage, which would be illegal.
That would depend on what the sabotage entailed.
pandabear wrote:
Quote:
The liberal group Media Matters has quietly transformed itself in preparation for what its founder, David Brock, described in an interview as an all-out campaign of “guerrilla warfare and sabotage” aimed at the Fox News Channel.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/03 ... z1clkhTaBn
— is working to chip away at Fox and its parent company, News Corp. They include its bread-and-butter distribution of embarrassing clips and attempts to rebut Fox points, as well as a series of under-the-radar tactics.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/03 ... z1clizpybg
The group will “focus on [News Corp. CEO Rupert] Murdoch and trying to disrupt his commercial interests — whether that be here or looking at what’s going on in London right now,” Brock said,
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/03 ... z1clim2sWF
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/03 ... z1clkhTaBn
— is working to chip away at Fox and its parent company, News Corp. They include its bread-and-butter distribution of embarrassing clips and attempts to rebut Fox points, as well as a series of under-the-radar tactics.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/03 ... z1clizpybg
The group will “focus on [News Corp. CEO Rupert] Murdoch and trying to disrupt his commercial interests — whether that be here or looking at what’s going on in London right now,” Brock said,
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/03 ... z1clim2sWF
So far you haven't identified anything that would be illegal.
Actually, I have and so did you. Trying to actively wreck a business or individual because you don't like their political views, as a tax-exempt agency that is supposedly an "educational non-profit" is violating their 501c exemption, the fact you refuse to acknowledge that fact is irrelevant.
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
So seriously, drop the partisan act where you are trying to protect Media Matters.
I am not protecting Media Matters.
You've been acting like Media Matters paid attorney at the moment.
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
we're basically having our government endorsing a left wing partisan agency, by the simple fact they don't have to pay taxes.
That claim is ludicrous.
Let me get this straight, I provided a source where the head of Media Matters in an interview is saying that they are launching a campaign of sabotage of Fox News and News Corp, and you're telling me that they are doing nothing wrong.
Sorry, but in declaring war on Fox News and going out on their partisan witchhunt, they have violated the terms of their 501c status. The fact you choose to ignore it, while you are going after Fox News for leaning to the right when they are a for profit agency, shows a blatent hypocrisy.
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Heed your own advice, Fox News is not tax-exempt, MSNBC is not tax-exempt, CNN is not tax-exempt; Media Matters is tax exempt.
Doesn't matter.
Yes it does, the fact you are choosing to ignore facts, doesn't make facts go away.
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Quote:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
By your logic, if an entity's tax-exempt status equals "government endorsement", then the government would be violating our first amendment by granting tax-exempt status to churches.
Since they apply that to all churches, mosques, etc. you don't have a case.
Actually, you're the one without a case. The case was closed.
You can't be Media Matters Defense Attorney and a Judge at the same time, so you've proven you are neither.
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
That is not the case with Media Matters, because Media Research Center has not declared war on the mainstream media, nor have they planned to sabotage MSNBC or CNN.
What is not the case?
Media Research Center only goes after what has already been said, they react to what media outlets do, they aren't pro-active about the situation. The fact Media Matters is actively trying to disrupt Fox News and News Corp with an intent to silence free speech that they (Media Matters) does not agree with is what this situation is about.
Again you have a problem with Fox News simply leaning to the right, and act like Fox News needs to be silenced, shunned, etc. Yet you have no problem with Media Matters trying to actively wreck Fox News, and you have the gall to tell me that I'm trying to violate someone's 1st Amendment rights... Thank you for proving my point.
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
You are not a judge, you aren't remotely objective on this, so drop the act. In fact you act more like a Defense Attorney than a Judge.
Be careful, or I'll hold you in contempt again.
Again you are not a judge, your behavior is not amusing, it is annoying.
pandabear wrote:
In summary, repeating a lie, over and over again, even a million times, does not eventually make the lie true, outside of your own mind.
There you go again...
pandabear wrote:
Through constant repetition, you may eventually cause your society to accept the lie as a part of its conventional wisdom. But, it is still a lie, none-the-less.
Really, you've lost this, it doesn't matter whether or not people here see through your charade, the facts are the facts.
Inuyasha wrote:
Just cause you say something pandabear, doesn't make it true. Real lawyers (which you probably don't even have a law license) have filed a complaint, I think they know more than you do on the topic.
There are quacks in the legal profession, as in any other profession.
Inuyasha wrote:
The fact you choose to deny something is happening, doesn't mean it isn't happening.
Quite true.
Inuyasha wrote:
Actually, I have and so did you. Trying to actively wreck a business or individual because you don't like their political views, as a tax-exempt agency that is supposedly an "educational non-profit" is violating their 501c exemption, the fact you refuse to acknowledge that fact is irrelevant.
That does not constitute a violation of an organization's 501(c)(3) exemption.
Inuyasha wrote:
You've been acting like Media Matters paid attorney at the moment.
Thanks for the great compliment, but I'm actually not.
Inuyasha wrote:
Let me get this straight, I provided a source where the head of Media Matters in an interview is saying that they are launching a campaign of sabotage of Fox News and News Corp, and you're telling me that they are doing nothing wrong.
Sorry, but in declaring war on Fox News and going out on their partisan witchhunt, they have violated the terms of their 501c status. The fact you choose to ignore it, while you are going after Fox News for leaning to the right when they are a for profit agency, shows a blatent hypocrisy.
Sorry, but in declaring war on Fox News and going out on their partisan witchhunt, they have violated the terms of their 501c status. The fact you choose to ignore it, while you are going after Fox News for leaning to the right when they are a for profit agency, shows a blatent hypocrisy.
None of these actions violated 501(c)(3) status.
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Heed your own advice, Fox News is not tax-exempt, MSNBC is not tax-exempt, CNN is not tax-exempt; Media Matters is tax exempt.
Doesn't matter.
Yes it does, the fact you are choosing to ignore facts, doesn't make facts go away.
I am paying full attention to the facts.
Inuyasha wrote:
You can't be Media Matters Defense Attorney and a Judge at the same time, so you've proven you are neither.
The WrongPlanet Forum Rules do not forbid me from being both a defense attorney and a judge at the same time, even if I was.
Inuyasha wrote:
Media Research Center only goes after what has already been said, they react to what media outlets do, they aren't pro-active about the situation. The fact Media Matters is actively trying to disrupt Fox News and News Corp with an intent to silence free speech that they (Media Matters) does not agree with is what this situation is about.
Again you have a problem with Fox News simply leaning to the right, and act like Fox News needs to be silenced, shunned, etc. Yet you have no problem with Media Matters trying to actively wreck Fox News, and you have the gall to tell me that I'm trying to violate someone's 1st Amendment rights... Thank you for proving my point.
Again you have a problem with Fox News simply leaning to the right, and act like Fox News needs to be silenced, shunned, etc. Yet you have no problem with Media Matters trying to actively wreck Fox News, and you have the gall to tell me that I'm trying to violate someone's 1st Amendment rights... Thank you for proving my point.
What is your point?
Inuyasha wrote:
Again you are not a judge, your behavior is not amusing, it is annoying.
And how would you characterize your own behavior?
Inuyasha wrote:
Really, you've lost this, it doesn't matter whether or not people here see through your charade, the facts are the facts.
Re-read my decision. Actually, you were the one who lost your case. I didn't have a case. I was merely the judge.
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Just cause you say something pandabear, doesn't make it true. Real lawyers (which you probably don't even have a law license) have filed a complaint, I think they know more than you do on the topic.
There are quacks in the legal profession, as in any other profession.
Which I know you are not in the legal profession, you are not a judge, and you are really ticking me off with your behavior.
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Actually, I have and so did you. Trying to actively wreck a business or individual because you don't like their political views, as a tax-exempt agency that is supposedly an "educational non-profit" is violating their 501c exemption, the fact you refuse to acknowledge that fact is irrelevant.
That does not constitute a violation of an organization's 501(c)(3) exemption.
Except the is an attempt to advance a partisan agenda of stifling free speech, so it actually is a violation.
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
You've been acting like Media Matters paid attorney at the moment.
Thanks for the great compliment, but I'm actually not.
That wasn't a compliment when it is directed towards someone that's claiming to be a Judge, if you were really a judge, you would know that.
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Let me get this straight, I provided a source where the head of Media Matters in an interview is saying that they are launching a campaign of sabotage of Fox News and News Corp, and you're telling me that they are doing nothing wrong.
Sorry, but in declaring war on Fox News and going out on their partisan witchhunt, they have violated the terms of their 501c status. The fact you choose to ignore it, while you are going after Fox News for leaning to the right when they are a for profit agency, shows a blatent hypocrisy.
Sorry, but in declaring war on Fox News and going out on their partisan witchhunt, they have violated the terms of their 501c status. The fact you choose to ignore it, while you are going after Fox News for leaning to the right when they are a for profit agency, shows a blatent hypocrisy.
None of these actions violated 501(c)(3) status.
Actually, it does:
pandabear wrote:

Check off boxes 3, 4, and 5, the violationg could also be described as OTHER.
Trying to sabotage a news organization because you don't like their political views is an illegal activity.
The organization is arguably engaged in a Campaign to shut up the biggest critic of Democrats and help Democrats get elected.
We've also seen, that they are engaging in excessive lobbying.
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Heed your own advice, Fox News is not tax-exempt, MSNBC is not tax-exempt, CNN is not tax-exempt; Media Matters is tax exempt.
Doesn't matter.
Yes it does, the fact you are choosing to ignore facts, doesn't make facts go away.
I am paying full attention to the facts.
You actually aren't, if I can pull your own statements, earlier in the thread and use them against you.
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
You can't be Media Matters Defense Attorney and a Judge at the same time, so you've proven you are neither.
The WrongPlanet Forum Rules do not forbid me from being both a defense attorney and a judge at the same time, even if I was.
You just admitted you haven't been remotely objective.
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Media Research Center only goes after what has already been said, they react to what media outlets do, they aren't pro-active about the situation. The fact Media Matters is actively trying to disrupt Fox News and News Corp with an intent to silence free speech that they (Media Matters) does not agree with is what this situation is about.
Again you have a problem with Fox News simply leaning to the right, and act like Fox News needs to be silenced, shunned, etc. Yet you have no problem with Media Matters trying to actively wreck Fox News, and you have the gall to tell me that I'm trying to violate someone's 1st Amendment rights... Thank you for proving my point.
Again you have a problem with Fox News simply leaning to the right, and act like Fox News needs to be silenced, shunned, etc. Yet you have no problem with Media Matters trying to actively wreck Fox News, and you have the gall to tell me that I'm trying to violate someone's 1st Amendment rights... Thank you for proving my point.
What is your point?
That you are being hypocritical.
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Again you are not a judge, your behavior is not amusing, it is annoying.
And how would you characterize your own behavior?
Someone whom is rather annoyed with someone else's behavior.
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Really, you've lost this, it doesn't matter whether or not people here see through your charade, the facts are the facts.
Re-read my decision. Actually, you were the one who lost your case. I didn't have a case. I was merely the judge.
You are not a judge, again I'm telling you to knock it off.
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Just cause you say something pandabear, doesn't make it true. Real lawyers (which you probably don't even have a law license) have filed a complaint, I think they know more than you do on the topic.
There are quacks in the legal profession, as in any other profession.
Which I know you are not in the legal profession, you are not a judge, and you are really ticking me off with your behavior.
That doesn't mean that there are no quacks in the legal profession.
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Actually, I have and so did you. Trying to actively wreck a business or individual because you don't like their political views, as a tax-exempt agency that is supposedly an "educational non-profit" is violating their 501c exemption, the fact you refuse to acknowledge that fact is irrelevant.
That does not constitute a violation of an organization's 501(c)(3) exemption.
Except the is an attempt to advance a partisan agenda of stifling free speech, so it actually is a violation.
They can attempt to do it, so long as they violate no laws.
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
You've been acting like Media Matters paid attorney at the moment.
Thanks for the great compliment, but I'm actually not.
That wasn't a compliment when it is directed towards someone that's claiming to be a Judge, if you were really a judge, you would know that.
Thanks again for the compliment.
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Let me get this straight, I provided a source where the head of Media Matters in an interview is saying that they are launching a campaign of sabotage of Fox News and News Corp, and you're telling me that they are doing nothing wrong.
Sorry, but in declaring war on Fox News and going out on their partisan witchhunt, they have violated the terms of their 501c status. The fact you choose to ignore it, while you are going after Fox News for leaning to the right when they are a for profit agency, shows a blatent hypocrisy.
Sorry, but in declaring war on Fox News and going out on their partisan witchhunt, they have violated the terms of their 501c status. The fact you choose to ignore it, while you are going after Fox News for leaning to the right when they are a for profit agency, shows a blatent hypocrisy.
None of these actions violated 501(c)(3) status.
Actually, it does:
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:

Check off boxes 3, 4, and 5, the violationg could also be described as OTHER.
Trying to sabotage a news organization because you don't like their political views is an illegal activity.
Only if the specific acts of sabotage are themselves illegal. For example, blowing up their building, or stealing their teleprompters.
Inuyasha wrote:
The organization is arguably engaged in a Campaign to shut up the biggest critic of Democrats and help Democrats get elected.
You use the term "arguably", not "definitively", meaning that some measure of doubt exists even in your highly partisan mind. If they were trying to shut up the Republican party itself, or involved in actual political campaigns, then these would be violations of their 501(c)(3) status. Trying to shut up Fox News does not constitute a violation.
Inuyasha wrote:
We've also seen, that they are engaging in excessive lobbying.
You're getting your accusations against Media Matters mixed up with your accusations against public television.
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Heed your own advice, Fox News is not tax-exempt, MSNBC is not tax-exempt, CNN is not tax-exempt; Media Matters is tax exempt.
Doesn't matter.
Yes it does, the fact you are choosing to ignore facts, doesn't make facts go away.
I am paying full attention to the facts.
You actually aren't, if I can pull your own statements, earlier in the thread and use them against you.
If you could, but you can't.
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
You can't be Media Matters Defense Attorney and a Judge at the same time, so you've proven you are neither.
The WrongPlanet Forum Rules do not forbid me from being both a defense attorney and a judge at the same time, even if I was.
You just admitted you haven't been remotely objective.
No, I didn't.
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Media Research Center only goes after what has already been said, they react to what media outlets do, they aren't pro-active about the situation. The fact Media Matters is actively trying to disrupt Fox News and News Corp with an intent to silence free speech that they (Media Matters) does not agree with is what this situation is about.
Again you have a problem with Fox News simply leaning to the right, and act like Fox News needs to be silenced, shunned, etc. Yet you have no problem with Media Matters trying to actively wreck Fox News, and you have the gall to tell me that I'm trying to violate someone's 1st Amendment rights... Thank you for proving my point.
Again you have a problem with Fox News simply leaning to the right, and act like Fox News needs to be silenced, shunned, etc. Yet you have no problem with Media Matters trying to actively wreck Fox News, and you have the gall to tell me that I'm trying to violate someone's 1st Amendment rights... Thank you for proving my point.
What is your point?
That you are being hypocritical.
Really? In what way?
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Again you are not a judge, your behavior is not amusing, it is annoying.
And how would you characterize your own behavior?
Someone whom is rather annoyed with someone else's behavior.
I see. Is that all? And, you realize that you should have use "who" rather than "whom" in that phrase. You deliberately used "whom" to annoy me, didn't you?
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Really, you've lost this, it doesn't matter whether or not people here see through your charade, the facts are the facts.
Re-read my decision. Actually, you were the one who lost your case. I didn't have a case. I was merely the judge.
You are not a judge, again I'm telling you to knock it off.
You're mighty close to being found in contempt.
@ pandabear
I use the term "arguably" because I'm not playing prosecutor, I'm simply going over the facts. I do have objectivity and thus I'm actually looking for how it will play out in real life.
Furthermore, I used the term "arguably" because there are people here like yourself whom would disagree with that assessment.
Also about the contempt charge, just drop the act already and stop with the obnoxious behavior.
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Oh, btw a lawyer has filed his own civil complaint against Media Matters.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2011 ... pt-status/
Did you even read the whole article?
Yup, I am well aware that Fox News, Fox Business often tries to present both sides of the debate.
Question is did you?
Oh, I've done that and more. I even looked up the "lawyer" who "has filed his own complaint against Media Matters."
http://www.newshounds.us/2011/06/24/fox ... actics.php
Quote:
On Tuesday (6/21/11), Republican activist C. Boyden Gray published an article in the Washington Times alleging that Fox News nemesis Media Matters is improperly receiving tax-exempt status. I don’t pretend to know the in’s and out’s of tax-exempt statuses. But I do know that Gray, who received something of a demotion on Fox after Media Matters revealed his conflict of interest in acting as a Supreme Court analyst on Fox, is not exactly a disinterested party. I also know that Bill O’Reilly’s subsequent attempt to suggest that President Obama is in cahoots with some kind of attempt to defraud taxpayers was completely unfounded and a transparent effort to up the ante against an organization that he also has a vested interest in taking down. On top of all that, Gray’s appearance on The O’Reilly Factor last night (6/23/11) was nothing less than a thinly-veiled effort to get a viewer to file a complaint against Media Matters with the IRS.
SourceWatch (quoting from a 1997 article in The New Republic) says about Gray, “So many different money trails lead to, by and through Gray it is bewildering." Just about every one of those trails, if not every single one, is connected to a Republican and/or conservative cause.
It’s entirely possible that Gray just came up with his concern about Media Matters’ tax-exempt status on his own, as an interested citizen. But even if that were the case, he’s not likely to be impartial toward them. In 2005, in the wake of Sandra Day O’Connor’s resignation from the Supreme Court, Media Matters objected to Gray working as a “Supreme Court analyst” on Fox News because at the same time Gray was also involved with a group created to help then-President George W. Bush get his judicial nominees confirmed. On July 1, 2005, Media Matters’ David Brock wrote to Fox demanding that Gray be removed from his position. Four days later, Media Matters noted that Gray had been “demoted” to “contributor” status.
But somehow, the producers of the “we report, you decide” network’s O’Reilly Factor didn’t feel the need to relay that history to their viewers. Instead, host Bill O’Reilly introduced Gray as “former White House Counsel under President Bush the elder.”
O’Reilly kind of tipped his hand early in the interview when he described Media Matters as “the vicious, and I mean vicious far-left website… in business to hurt the Fox News Channel and other perceived conservative concerns.” He later upped the ante to say Media Matters was on a “crusade against conservative Americans.”
If O’Reilly is so sure that Fox News is truly fair and balanced, you’d think he and the rest of the crew there would be falling over themselves to discredit Media Matters – and folks like us – by proving their fairness and lack of bias. So it’s pretty telling that instead of doing that they’re trying to get at the organization through the IRS. “So the IRS, I guess, is the agency that should revoke their status immediately, correct?” O’Reilly "asked."
Gray agreed and added suggestively, “Someone should file an application or letter with them to question this – I don’t think it should be Fox – but someone should and I suspect after these stories that are being run, that probably will (happen) and then we’ll see what the IRS does.”
O’Reilly did note “to be fair – and we always want to be that” (even though a graphic of George Soros with the description “far left billionaire” had just appeared on the screen) that Media Matters was originally granted its tax-exempt status during the George W. Bush administration.
Gray defended that decision partly by saying it had been made at the “tail end” of the Bush administration. That’s totally wrong because Media Matters began shortly before our blog did – in May, 2004, more than four years before the “tail end” of the Bush years.
But that didn’t stop O’Reilly from suggesting that somehow Obama is complicit in defrauding the taxpayers. “Do you think it is that the Obama administration is actively knows about this and wants this to happen?”
Gray said, “It should know and after this broadcast it will know about it.”
And in case you hadn’t already guessed, Gray added, “That’s the point, I think, of writing about it and speaking about it.”
O’Reilly repeated the “suggestion” that “What has to happen now is that some American or a group has to file an objection with the IRS,” but he went on to complain that it would “take years.”
Not so, according to Gray. If that does turn out to be the case, he recommended going into court “to force a little action in that way.”
By the way, Gray's article was also showcased on Fox Nation.
SourceWatch (quoting from a 1997 article in The New Republic) says about Gray, “So many different money trails lead to, by and through Gray it is bewildering." Just about every one of those trails, if not every single one, is connected to a Republican and/or conservative cause.
It’s entirely possible that Gray just came up with his concern about Media Matters’ tax-exempt status on his own, as an interested citizen. But even if that were the case, he’s not likely to be impartial toward them. In 2005, in the wake of Sandra Day O’Connor’s resignation from the Supreme Court, Media Matters objected to Gray working as a “Supreme Court analyst” on Fox News because at the same time Gray was also involved with a group created to help then-President George W. Bush get his judicial nominees confirmed. On July 1, 2005, Media Matters’ David Brock wrote to Fox demanding that Gray be removed from his position. Four days later, Media Matters noted that Gray had been “demoted” to “contributor” status.
But somehow, the producers of the “we report, you decide” network’s O’Reilly Factor didn’t feel the need to relay that history to their viewers. Instead, host Bill O’Reilly introduced Gray as “former White House Counsel under President Bush the elder.”
O’Reilly kind of tipped his hand early in the interview when he described Media Matters as “the vicious, and I mean vicious far-left website… in business to hurt the Fox News Channel and other perceived conservative concerns.” He later upped the ante to say Media Matters was on a “crusade against conservative Americans.”
If O’Reilly is so sure that Fox News is truly fair and balanced, you’d think he and the rest of the crew there would be falling over themselves to discredit Media Matters – and folks like us – by proving their fairness and lack of bias. So it’s pretty telling that instead of doing that they’re trying to get at the organization through the IRS. “So the IRS, I guess, is the agency that should revoke their status immediately, correct?” O’Reilly "asked."
Gray agreed and added suggestively, “Someone should file an application or letter with them to question this – I don’t think it should be Fox – but someone should and I suspect after these stories that are being run, that probably will (happen) and then we’ll see what the IRS does.”
O’Reilly did note “to be fair – and we always want to be that” (even though a graphic of George Soros with the description “far left billionaire” had just appeared on the screen) that Media Matters was originally granted its tax-exempt status during the George W. Bush administration.
Gray defended that decision partly by saying it had been made at the “tail end” of the Bush administration. That’s totally wrong because Media Matters began shortly before our blog did – in May, 2004, more than four years before the “tail end” of the Bush years.
But that didn’t stop O’Reilly from suggesting that somehow Obama is complicit in defrauding the taxpayers. “Do you think it is that the Obama administration is actively knows about this and wants this to happen?”
Gray said, “It should know and after this broadcast it will know about it.”
And in case you hadn’t already guessed, Gray added, “That’s the point, I think, of writing about it and speaking about it.”
O’Reilly repeated the “suggestion” that “What has to happen now is that some American or a group has to file an objection with the IRS,” but he went on to complain that it would “take years.”
Not so, according to Gray. If that does turn out to be the case, he recommended going into court “to force a little action in that way.”
By the way, Gray's article was also showcased on Fox Nation.
And, look at the Bill O'Reilly interview with this character at the bottom of the link. So many outright lies and distortions.
Starting about 2:20, Bill says "Plus, it gets money from George Soros, the most far-left activist in the country. He and his organizations shell-game it. Throw money into Media Matters. So, I don't think there's going to be any problem proving your point." This is while showing a few clips of George Soros with the subtitle "GEORGE SOROS: FAR LEFT BILLIONAIRE."
This is the cue for regular Fox viewers to start fuming with hatred at the horrible, rich circumcised individual, the world's vile puppetmaster. As soon as George Soros is mentioned on Fox News, the subject of the story is automatically guilty, at least in the numbed mind of the well-trained Fox News viewer.
Honestly, I don't know how a person of even moderate intelligence and modest educational attainment can just sit there and watch Fox News all day, soak it all in, and expect everyone he talks to to think that he is smart when he parrots Fox News gibberish.
This C. Boyden Gray character, who is a lousy lawyer, has to be looking for a job with Fox News.
ruveyn wrote:
If Media Matters plays hanky panky they will loose their non-profit status which will crimp their style.
ruveyn
ruveyn
I'm sure that Media Matters is very careful, and that their lawyers have looked over the requirements quite carefully. As long as they are not participating in political campaigns, and not lobbying excessively, and not doing anything illegal, they should be fine, no matter how many people contact the IRS through Fox News.
pandabear wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
If Media Matters plays hanky panky they will loose their non-profit status which will crimp their style.
ruveyn
ruveyn
I'm sure that Media Matters is very careful, and that their lawyers have looked over the requirements quite carefully. As long as they are not participating in political campaigns, and not lobbying excessively, and not doing anything illegal, they should be fine, no matter how many people contact the IRS through Fox News.
No, I'm just expecting the IRS won't prosecute nor will the corrupt Eric Holder.
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
If Media Matters plays hanky panky they will loose their non-profit status which will crimp their style.
ruveyn
ruveyn
I'm sure that Media Matters is very careful, and that their lawyers have looked over the requirements quite carefully. As long as they are not participating in political campaigns, and not lobbying excessively, and not doing anything illegal, they should be fine, no matter how many people contact the IRS through Fox News.
No, I'm just expecting the IRS won't prosecute nor will the corrupt Eric Holder.
The IRS will prosecute, if there is evidence of a violation. So far, there is no evidence.
This would be outside the jurisdiction of the corrupt Eric Holder. Even Fox News viewers should know that.
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
If Media Matters plays hanky panky they will loose their non-profit status which will crimp their style.
ruveyn
ruveyn
I'm sure that Media Matters is very careful, and that their lawyers have looked over the requirements quite carefully. As long as they are not participating in political campaigns, and not lobbying excessively, and not doing anything illegal, they should be fine, no matter how many people contact the IRS through Fox News.
No, I'm just expecting the IRS won't prosecute nor will the corrupt Eric Holder.
The IRS will prosecute, if there is evidence of a violation. So far, there is no evidence.
This would be outside the jurisdiction of the corrupt Eric Holder. Even Fox News viewers should know that.
Just like those New Black Panthers are sitting in jail from what they did back in 2008. Oh that's right they aren't because the Obama Justice Department dismissed the charges after they had been already convicted.
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
If Media Matters plays hanky panky they will loose their non-profit status which will crimp their style.
ruveyn
ruveyn
I'm sure that Media Matters is very careful, and that their lawyers have looked over the requirements quite carefully. As long as they are not participating in political campaigns, and not lobbying excessively, and not doing anything illegal, they should be fine, no matter how many people contact the IRS through Fox News.
No, I'm just expecting the IRS won't prosecute nor will the corrupt Eric Holder.
The IRS will prosecute, if there is evidence of a violation. So far, there is no evidence.
This would be outside the jurisdiction of the corrupt Eric Holder. Even Fox News viewers should know that.
Just like those New Black Panthers are sitting in jail from what they did back in 2008. Oh that's right they aren't because the Obama Justice Department dismissed the charges after they had been already convicted.
The Black Panthers were not on trial in this thread. Media Matters was.
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
If Media Matters plays hanky panky they will loose their non-profit status which will crimp their style.
ruveyn
ruveyn
I'm sure that Media Matters is very careful, and that their lawyers have looked over the requirements quite carefully. As long as they are not participating in political campaigns, and not lobbying excessively, and not doing anything illegal, they should be fine, no matter how many people contact the IRS through Fox News.
No, I'm just expecting the IRS won't prosecute nor will the corrupt Eric Holder.
The IRS will prosecute, if there is evidence of a violation. So far, there is no evidence.
This would be outside the jurisdiction of the corrupt Eric Holder. Even Fox News viewers should know that.
Just like those New Black Panthers are sitting in jail from what they did back in 2008. Oh that's right they aren't because the Obama Justice Department dismissed the charges after they had been already convicted.
The Black Panthers were not on trial in this thread. Media Matters was.
I'm pointing out the blatent track record of Obama's DoJ ignoring the law, and letting people get away with committing crimes if it benefits the Obama White House.
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
If Media Matters plays hanky panky they will loose their non-profit status which will crimp their style.
ruveyn
ruveyn
I'm sure that Media Matters is very careful, and that their lawyers have looked over the requirements quite carefully. As long as they are not participating in political campaigns, and not lobbying excessively, and not doing anything illegal, they should be fine, no matter how many people contact the IRS through Fox News.
No, I'm just expecting the IRS won't prosecute nor will the corrupt Eric Holder.
The IRS will prosecute, if there is evidence of a violation. So far, there is no evidence.
This would be outside the jurisdiction of the corrupt Eric Holder. Even Fox News viewers should know that.
Just like those New Black Panthers are sitting in jail from what they did back in 2008. Oh that's right they aren't because the Obama Justice Department dismissed the charges after they had been already convicted.
The Black Panthers were not on trial in this thread. Media Matters was.
I'm pointing out the blatent track record of Obama's DoJ ignoring the law, and letting people get away with committing crimes if it benefits the Obama White House.
Either way, Media Matters has not committed any crime.
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
If Media Matters plays hanky panky they will loose their non-profit status which will crimp their style.
ruveyn
ruveyn
I'm sure that Media Matters is very careful, and that their lawyers have looked over the requirements quite carefully. As long as they are not participating in political campaigns, and not lobbying excessively, and not doing anything illegal, they should be fine, no matter how many people contact the IRS through Fox News.
No, I'm just expecting the IRS won't prosecute nor will the corrupt Eric Holder.
The IRS will prosecute, if there is evidence of a violation. So far, there is no evidence.
This would be outside the jurisdiction of the corrupt Eric Holder. Even Fox News viewers should know that.
Just like those New Black Panthers are sitting in jail from what they did back in 2008. Oh that's right they aren't because the Obama Justice Department dismissed the charges after they had been already convicted.
The Black Panthers were not on trial in this thread. Media Matters was.
I'm pointing out the blatent track record of Obama's DoJ ignoring the law, and letting people get away with committing crimes if it benefits the Obama White House.
Either way, Media Matters has not committed any crime.
Your opinion =/= fact, the fact the most corrupt DoJ in my lifetime and the most corrupt IRS in my lifetime chooses not to enforce the law, doesn't change the fact that Media Matters is breaking the law.
