What is your view of "The American Dream?"

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24 Dec 2011, 3:52 pm

Why the UK? I'm guessing because its close, because of EU membership they don't have to wait 20 years for a visa, and probably the wages are high there compared to elsewhere in Europe.

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24 Dec 2011, 3:53 pm

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Why the UK? I'm guessing because its close, because of EU membership they don't have to wait 20 years for a visa, and probably the wages are high there compared to elsewhere in Europe.

Easy to immigrate to (it's in the EU as you say) and there's a lot of benefits to claim, with a lot of cheap manual labour for them to do.

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24 Dec 2011, 3:55 pm

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Why the UK? I'm guessing because its close, because of EU membership they don't have to wait 20 years for a visa, and probably the wages are high there compared to elsewhere in Europe.

Easy to immigrate to (it's in the EU as you say) and there's a lot of benefits to claim, with a lot of cheap manual labour for them to do.

Ah, yes, the benefits. Far superior to the USA.

Do people in UK ever think of emigrating anywhere?

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24 Dec 2011, 3:58 pm

There are a few people (mainly dreamy teenagers) who want to live in America, but otherwise not really as far as I can tell.

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24 Dec 2011, 4:09 pm

Asp-Z wrote:

There are a few people (mainly dreamy teenagers) who want to live in America, but otherwise not really as far as I can tell.

What would attract them to America?

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24 Dec 2011, 4:10 pm

pandabear wrote:

Asp-Z wrote:

There are a few people (mainly dreamy teenagers) who want to live in America, but otherwise not really as far as I can tell.

What would attract them to America?

The media image of it, simple as that. Usually it's something they grow out of when they start paying attention to the news as opposed to the Disney channel.

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24 Dec 2011, 7:54 pm

Ah, yes. The Disney Channel. A somewhat over-romanticized, politically-correct view of life in the USA.

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24 Dec 2011, 8:10 pm

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Ah, yes. The Disney Channel. A somewhat over-romanticized, politically-correct view of life in the USA.

And containing shows made on a budget of $10 by the looks of it

But yeah, most people in the UK seem mostly content with it. A lot joke about wanting to move to hotter places when they win the Lotto, but that's about it really.

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25 Dec 2011, 9:56 am

Asp-Z wrote:

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Ah, yes. The Disney Channel. A somewhat over-romanticized, politically-correct view of life in the USA.

And containing shows made on a budget of $10 by the looks of it

But yeah, most people in the UK seem mostly content with it. A lot joke about wanting to move to hotter places when they win the Lotto, but that's about it really.

I think that there are a number of UK retirees living in places like Spain and Thailand.

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25 Dec 2011, 12:19 pm

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If we lived in a Utopia where people cared for each other rather than caring for money would we need smoke shops?

Not traditional smoke shops no, but it might be nice to have a specific place to go if you would like something to smoke or something to smoke out of. But in this utopia there would be no monetary system I imagine so it would not be nessisary to 'sell' or 'buy'.

Goods and services must be exchanged since no one is self sufficient. But in a technically advancing society the combinatorics of barter become completely unworkable which is why money had to be invented. Mathematically it is this. If n goods trade for m goods then by simple barter there are m*n transactions. If money is the intermediate then there are m + n transactions.

That is it in a nutshell. Without money we should all have to live on berries and fish.

Is that the kind of world you want to live in?

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25 Dec 2011, 1:39 pm

I like berries and fish.

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25 Dec 2011, 2:43 pm

I've notice there's a direct positive correlation between bemoaning the hollowness of "materialism" and not being able to afford nice things.

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25 Dec 2011, 3:13 pm

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I've notice there's a direct positive correlation between bemoaning the hollowness of "materialism" and not being able to afford nice things.

*looks around apartment*
nah :lol:

then again we are talking about the american dream
something that to me is quite different from materialism in itself

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25 Dec 2011, 4:41 pm

Oodain wrote:

XFilesGeek wrote:

I've notice there's a direct positive correlation between bemoaning the hollowness of "materialism" and not being able to afford nice things.

*looks around apartment*
nah :lol:

then again we are talking about the american dream
something that to me is quite different from materialism in itself

Depends on who you ask.

The ability to "move up" is generally associated with the ability to buy "nice things (house, car, ect)."

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25 Dec 2011, 5:12 pm

XFilesGeek wrote:

Oodain wrote:

XFilesGeek wrote:

I've notice there's a direct positive correlation between bemoaning the hollowness of "materialism" and not being able to afford nice things.

*looks around apartment*
nah :lol:

then again we are talking about the american dream
something that to me is quite different from materialism in itself

Depends on who you ask.

The ability to "move up" is generally associated with the ability to buy "nice things (house, car, ect)."

yes but one can have nice things without the desire to move up,

one can move up and apear to have a lot yet in reality its all owned by others.

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25 Dec 2011, 5:25 pm

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The American dream is a lie!

The truth is in order for someones dream to come true in a capitalist country another person must endure a nightmare.
There has never been equal opportunities in the history of America. Most native Americans didn't even get to live let alone prosper.
African Americans and women were never equal to the white male.

It is just another brainwashing campaign by capitalist America.

A socialist dream is where low status people, such as short and ugly men, and aspies will never earn more respect then the Chavs Yardies and Jocks of the world, who have to work less to achieve it. But we can, in a low tax economy capitalist country.

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