The old question - Do you BELIEVE in God?

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I didn't believe in God on page 3, but now I believe in God after watching a lot of Youtube videos featuring Alvin Plantinga. Time flies, huh?

Easy come, easy go, maybe.

Well, if you call God, and say "he" whereas you don't think it is a person, this is kind of schizophrenic. Many people protect themselves from being reproached their atheism by using the word God. But that's only a social consideration.


Nope. You said before you thought it was like fuel. Fuel is a cause. So you are contradicting yourself.

No, it's mine !

Watch out, or I'll declare holy war on you.

How can you call exoteric the interpretation that is written in all religious texts of the biggest religions that have spread on the whole world ? There is not one true interpretation of the word God, there are only social interpretations of it. And clearly the gnostic one is a minority.

Of course, each person interprets the word God according to his own subjectivity, so there have been people believing God is what you say. The point is that God in this sense just means the biggest thing, everything and more than everything. So it is just the same thing as Nature, Existence, Universe, Cosmos or even Wow.

You think that in the past, there were ancients mystics that were right, and then it got distorted. In reality, we do not know what thought people in ancient times, and it is not because it is ancient that it is right or true. But we are talking about the word God, which is just the word god with an uppercase. And the notion of god has always been a special social being, generally invisible, that influences nature. It is an etymological non sense to think that before the word God meant something else. The meaning has been changed and expanded later.


I am also in an atheist country, but even if criticising organised religions is quite common, the word God and deism in a more general term is still agressively guarded and people do not dare say anything about it. The autoritarian aura around the word God is still there. And the people who are the most cruel when questionning this subject are atheists. They don't believe in God but they will want to make you live in hell on earth if you dare say that religion is false.

I believe in a first mover but not an all powerful God.

So you feel qualified to label me an Atheist when you can't even read properly?

Like fuel for a car.

I've already decided you "strong" atheists are blasphemers, and the only true path is apatheism. Thus I have declared Jihad on you all. So expect extreme levels of apathy in the near future

No, I don`t neccesarily think the ancient mystics were right or wrong, I`m just saying that they saw god as an indescribable concept, and the commoners personified it.
Look at Sufiism.

Me, I`m an agnostic, I also wouldn`t be surprised if we human beings are writhing blindly in the dark about the true nature of reality.
I think our senses are inadequate to perceive it, and our minds inadequate to compehend it.

I reject the Gods of all classical theism and if they do exist; I hate them.

Like an Aristotle type thing?

Can someone describe this first mover?