The Four Basic Principles Of Fascism

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10 Apr 2012, 10:04 am

i could see how a fascist state would work but i can't see why it would be desireable by anyone.

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10 Apr 2012, 10:45 am

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Lenin was just as much a thug and a collectivist as was Stalin

Interestingly enough Lenin sought the removal of Stalin from his high political position, but unfortunately Lenin's decision was voted down.

Before this as well, there was a vote to liquidate the Cheka, the Soviet secret police force. That too was voted down.

About a decade later, Stalin would use the Cheka to kill off all or most of the 'old Bolsheviks.'

Its quite disturbing how no one realizes in any society at the present time that fascism is on the rise...until it is too late, be it Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union.

In the United States we have had a kind of "friendly fascism" since the administration of FDR. Woodrow Wilson and Theodore Roosevelt were also "friendly fascists" but they called themselves Progressives. Did you know the the Wilson Administration nationalized the privately owned railroads of the United States (because of the Great War) and did not return the railroad to their owners until 1922. In 1942 the Secratary of Agriculture of the United States sued a farmer for growing extra wheat, not for the market, but for his own consumption. See Wichardt v Filburn 1942. Under both Woodrow Wilson and FDR the Draft was enacted in spite of the prohibition against involuntary servitude specified by the 13 th amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

The U.S. Constitution has been dead nearly a hundred years. Fortunately some of the Bill of Rights is still intact.

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Don't forget Wilson's war time domestic policy, which turned ordinary Americans into enemies of the state for simply exercising their right of dissent, or simply for their ethnicity. Far from being "friendly" fascism.

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10 Apr 2012, 10:54 am

Yes that is a very good description of facism......I even wrote a paper in favor of facism once even though I would hate having that kind of a system, I just thought it would be different then the typical 'I think democracy is the best kind of government.' essays the teacher would have to read. But yes I believe I argued as brutal and horrible as it was, it would certainly be effective in a lot of ways.

But yeah if this became a facist nation, I think I should commit suicide before the government has me killed for being un-fit for life...Or actually at that point maybe I'd just risk everything and try to start an anti-facist revolution I wonder how long it would take them to crush that? guess I would find out. This is all entirely hypothetical though, but I have to plan for this since economic times are hard and last time they where close to this bad we had Nazi Germany and other facist type societies. But maybe things will just collapse, in which case I guess facism could still arise.....But in the end I would never support it.

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10 Apr 2012, 12:00 pm

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That is right. Germans in America were treated as badly as Jews in Germany. How ironic.

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10 Apr 2012, 12:04 pm

AudaciousLarue wrote:

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Lenin was just as much a thug and a collectivist as was Stalin

This is largely a myth. Lenin and Stalin had a personal disagreement for which Stalin had to apologize shortly before the death of the former, who had made a few criticisms of Stalin (like most other leaders), but no evidence has ever surfaced that another successor or the complete removal of Stalin was ever considered and no policy differences existed between them at the time of Lenin's death.

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10 Apr 2012, 12:09 pm

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Lennin and Trotsky were thugs, as much as Stalin was. After Lennin died, Stalin had Trotsky "whacked" just like any Mafia don might do. The Communists in Russia were Red Fascists and gangsters.

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10 Apr 2012, 1:53 pm

ruveyn wrote:

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That is right. Germans in America were treated as badly as Jews in Germany. How ironic.

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Actually, the bad treatment of Jews in Germany happened with the rise of Nazism. Jews in Germany during the First World War had served the Fatherland with courage and distinction - just as Americans of German extraction had during the war, despite bad treatment and suspicion.

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10 Apr 2012, 2:21 pm

thedaywalker wrote:

i could see how a fascist state would work but i can't see why it would be desireable by anyone.

except for the fascists, that is.

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10 Apr 2012, 6:11 pm

Dear Herrgrimm, Off-topic I know, but that is one gorgeous wolf!
He is just mesmerizing!

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10 Apr 2012, 6:18 pm

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Dear Herrgrimm, Off-topic I know, but that is one gorgeous wolf!
He is just mesmerizing!

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Thank you.

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10 Apr 2012, 8:40 pm

auntblabby wrote:

thedaywalker wrote:

i could see how a fascist state would work but i can't see why it would be desireable by anyone.

except for the fascists, that is.

The reason I could live under a facsit country is because of my obsession with authority.

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01 Oct 2016, 11:05 pm

Too bad for Joker that many neofascists seem to be intolerant towards those with autism , including Asperger syndrome . http://ironmarch.org/index.php?/topic/4266-fascism-autism-and-the-disabled/ . If I ever had any second thoughts concerning my rejection of Fascism , in favor of Eurocommunism , incidentally , the thread I linked to above solidified it for me . I just feel that even for those inclined to find common ground with the fascists , in certain areas at least , there are still at least somewhat better , or less objectionable alternatives . From liberal socialism , on the left , to national conservatism , on the right . Both of these combined could formulate the foundation for a right-wing socialism , so to speak .

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