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05 Jul 2012, 3:47 pm

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I understand this. My parents actually started applying for green cards (for me too) when I was less than 18 years old.

And I'm not about to marry anyone anytime soon. :P
Marriage is over rated imo and it shouldnt be for a green card but if you and your partner truly love each other but thats a different topic all together. :lol: :oops:


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10 Jul 2012, 8:43 pm

Immigration nowadays are getting more stupid. to many from other countries come in and steal our companies. jobs that are there were taken. some are coming back but not enough to supply Americans. what about us Americans? oh wait we don't matter. so what you get is a green card?but you know what it's gonna get banned for a while. america is restarting and this time we realized that we screwed up on everything. the government is gonna reshape and all we have is going to be reestablished in a new society. illegal ones are lucky right now. but we will take the system back. and this time, we are gonna be smarter enough to make sure everyone in america gets employment and live a good life. so just keep thinking that you guys are living a good life. it will be gone sooner than you think. India and other countries will have to get back to their homes. and the president is going away to. god vision is coming. and it will be fulfilled.


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10 Jul 2012, 10:48 pm

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Immigration nowadays are getting more stupid. to many from other countries come in and steal our companies. jobs that are there were taken..


A job is not property (which can be stolen). It is a voluntary contractual relation between someone willing to offer his time a labor and someone willing to pay an agreed up amount of money for them.

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10 Jul 2012, 11:09 pm

Vladimir wrote:
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Just like Germany the motherland has had it's time of suffering.


Unfortunately suffering beautifully is a cottage industry in Russia.

Beholding Russia is like attending a performance of The Three Sisters or the opera, Boris Goodinov.

You guys have got tears and pain down perfectly.

I like the United States. We may be foolish and short sighted at times but we are a cheerful bunch except when we become p*ssed off as the Japanese found out to their sorrow.

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10 Jul 2012, 11:23 pm

see the problem is the president is thinking everyone can work in the united states. including

ones that come here from like India, china, Russia, Pakistan etc. we didn't make America so it

can be screwed. we made it form for freedom and not being controlled by others. we have our own

problems thank you very much. so the president that we have can scream all he wants but we want

our lives back. and the president doesn't care. he wants his own people to get all the happy life. i

am just saying that this world needs to give Americans a chance again to keep going. this needs

to stop all of it. everyday people suffer of headaches and struggling to make a living. college

students to need a break. i mean come on they work their butts off by making sure they learn as

much as they can. i still blame bush for this. but it doesn't mean Mr. Barack can just screw us

Americans and let only people illegally gaining all the fame. but the government don't do anything

about it.


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11 Jul 2012, 1:17 pm

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And I'm not about to marry anyone anytime soon. :P



Aw darn. There goes my hopes *grin*



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11 Jul 2012, 3:07 pm

Dantac wrote:
Albirea wrote:
And I'm not about to marry anyone anytime soon. :P



Aw darn. There goes my hopes *grin*





why would you want to get married? all it is a headache and in the end it doesn't work out.

what's the point?


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12 Jul 2012, 1:56 am

ruveyn wrote:
autismthinker21 wrote:
Immigration nowadays are getting more stupid. to many from other countries come in and steal our companies. jobs that are there were taken..


A job is not property (which can be stolen). It is a voluntary contractual relation between someone willing to offer his time a labor and someone willing to pay an agreed up amount of money for them.

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but if the work is not there, then how is a person suppose be able to make a living? everyone in America should be able to find a job and get somewhere. but now it's foreigners and not Americans that can work sometimes.


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12 Jul 2012, 3:21 am

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but if the work is not there, then how is a person suppose be able to make a living? everyone in America should be able to find a job and get somewhere. but now it's foreigners and not Americans that can work sometimes.


Beg, borrow or steal. Or (gasp!) come up with an idea or product that one can sell to others.

You seem to believe ( correct me if I am mistaken) that someone, somewhere owes a job to another who simply needs it.

That is a mistaken belief. No one owes a living to anyone else with the exception of their dependent children.

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12 Jul 2012, 9:25 am

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That is a mistaken belief. No one owes a living to anyone else with the exception of their dependent children.


But the government does owe it to the people to look after their interests, which includes at least attempting to maintain a healthy economy. High unemploment does not make a healthy economy.



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12 Jul 2012, 1:27 pm

Legal immigrants are all right.

Illegal immigrants can go to heck. This newfound disdain of them happened because I just recently was denied a tourist visa for an important conference in the US to which I was invited with plane tickets and all just because I spent more time in college than other people (and thus I have no future and of course the whole thing was a scheme of me to illegally stay in the US and become an immigrant, sure!).

If it wasn't for the idiots that enter other countries without permission, I wouldn't have gone through such garbage. If those idiots wanted to live in the US , they should have requested residence the correct, legal way. *ck those people. They just make it harder for law-abiding people like me and the OP to enter the country legally.


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12 Jul 2012, 1:55 pm

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Illegal immigrants can go to heck. This newfound disdain of them happened because I just recently was denied a tourist visa for an important conference in the US to which I was invited with plane tickets and all just because I spent more time in college than other people (and thus I have no future and of course the whole thing was a scheme of me to illegally stay in the US and become an immigrant, sure!).


It sounds like you overstayed on a student visa. The U.S. is quite strict about this; if you overstay and then return home for any reason, you will very likely be banned from re-entry. And a lot of people DO overstay with the idea of illegally immigrating.



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12 Jul 2012, 3:13 pm

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Illegal immigrants can go to heck. This newfound disdain of them happened because I just recently was denied a tourist visa for an important conference in the US to which I was invited with plane tickets and all just because I spent more time in college than other people (and thus I have no future and of course the whole thing was a scheme of me to illegally stay in the US and become an immigrant, sure!).


It sounds like you overstayed on a student visa. The U.S. is quite strict about this; if you overstay and then return home for any reason, you will very likely be banned from re-entry. And a lot of people DO overstay with the idea of illegally immigrating.



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12 Jul 2012, 7:57 pm

YippySkippy wrote:
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Illegal immigrants can go to heck. This newfound disdain of them happened because I just recently was denied a tourist visa for an important conference in the US to which I was invited with plane tickets and all just because I spent more time in college than other people (and thus I have no future and of course the whole thing was a scheme of me to illegally stay in the US and become an immigrant, sure!).


It sounds like you overstayed on a student visa.
It sounds wrong then.

I could not get a tourist visa because I spent more time in my own local college. It is ret*d BS. I am banned from visiting the US for something as stupid like that, and I blame the illegals.

There.

But good job jumping to conclusions.


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12 Jul 2012, 11:19 pm

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Now usually I don't get entangled in political matters, but this one has affected me personally, and I feel the need to speak out about it.

The U.S. only permits a certain number of people from each country to get green cards (permanent residency status) each year. So for people born in China and India, where the population is huge, the wait for a U.S. green card can take many years, sometimes even up to 20 years. H.R. 3012, if passed, will give high-skilled immigrants faster access to a green card, shortening the wait and diminishing the negative consequences of not having a green card for many years. If this had passed earlier, none of the setbacks I'm going to describe below would have happened.

So here's a bit about me. I'm 18, and I've just graduated high school. I was born in China (with the rest of my family), and immigrated to Canada when I was 7. My parents and I became Canadian citizens five years later, and we were able to live in the U.S. after they got new jobs there. Six years after that, it was time for me to apply to college, and that was where the troubles began for me. Having gone to high school in the U.S. for all four years, I was convinced that I was just like the other kids - scholarships, financial aid, and the admissions process would be the same, and I would sail through it smoothly. But then I found out that without a green card, I was an international student - considered a foreigner and locked out of many standard procedures, even though I was essentially an American. Only a small percentage of each college's students is international, and the admission rate for international students is FAR lower than for domestic students (students who have at least a U.S. green card). For example, MIT's overall admission rate is about 10%, but its international admission rate is only 3-5%. Also, financial aid for international applicants are extremely limited, and this partially accounts for the low admission rate. I asked my parents fervently about when we were going to get our green cards. After a bunch of paperwork, they had their answer - we're not going to get our green cards until at least December 2012.

I was heartbroken. Not only could I not apply early action to MIT, my dream school, I also couldn't apply for financial aid, or they will certainly reject me. I was suddenly thrown into the colosseum with all the other international applicants, and the brutal battle would be a bloodbath. I would never survive, not unless I'd made some groundbreaking discovery or invention, or won some huge international award, which I could only dream of doing. I was also a semifinalist for the National Merit scholarship based on my PSAT scores, but alas, I didn't have the required immigration documents even for that. I called NMS, talked to my school counselor, even spoke to a state senator... nothing worked. I was locked out of an iron gate yet again.

In the end, I'm happy to say that I was admitted to MIT - for what reason, I still don't know, but it came as a surprise beyond my wildest dreams. I was rejected from all five of the Ivy League colleges I applied to, and I was even waitlisted at Rice. I was also denied a $20,000 scholarship at Case Western because I was "international".

Now, there are three options for me: make outrageous student loans, force my parents into bankruptcy, or some combination of the two. But no matter what, I am planning to stay in the US, and the only way I'd be able to do that is by working ridiculously hard and not depending on perks and benefits - it's not like I would get them anyways.

So, hate on immigration all you want. By seeing what my parents and I have gone through, I only have this to say: If you don't want the immigrants to take your jobs, you'd better stop whining, get off your lazy bums, and start working. Because this isn't the 1960s, and we've had to work so much harder to get the same benefits as yours.


Well, first off congrats on getting into MIT. I hope you can go there. But if not don't let it cause you too much distress. You are obviously hardworking and smart. The school doesn't make you.


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12 Jul 2012, 11:30 pm

For what it's worth I went to a community college and then transferred to Berkeley. I'll be 7k dollars in debt when I graduate. I wouldn't go to Berkeley or MIT if I had to take a mortgage out. That's something to keep in mind. I know many of Chinese students who went to community college in California and then transferred to UCs. They got financial aid.


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