The Zeitgeist Movement - Give me your best shot.

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You don't have to concede, though it would help your own thread, but at least contribute more to it!

Not to be picky but just saying *refers X to Y* doesn't mean you are actually doing it. You have to actually do what I did, provide sources and refer people. This isn't a roleplay. The Internet isn't magical. Things don't magically happen because you say they did. You have to put the work in.

To be honest neither side of this mini argument you are having is better than the other. As much as I am more pro ZG / VP than I am anti at least they were able to construct an argument, not simply make one up on the spot.

Not just current advances, suppressed patents, expert hypotheses, the entrenchment of a monetary system and top tier of companies, banks and governments, but also my own intuition. Believe it or not human beings have the ability to doubt as well as have faith. And as much as I want this to work I have doubts. It's healthy, because it leads to critical thinking which leads to improvements. Hopefully, my doubts will be squashed in the future.

That's cute. You not only offer to teach me something when you refuse to teach anyone here, but out of everyone in this thread (considering it is your own) you have probably contributed the least effort, at least from an intellectual standpoint. If this were a typing contest you win hands down.

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I appreciate that. I'm not a conspiracy nut (Alex Jones finds conspiracy in new FILMS for crying out loud! ) but it surely isn't hard to believe a moneyless ecosystem and society wouldn't thrive because it stops rich people making money. There are thousands of classified energy and innovative patents in the USA. It's no myth.

Fact of the matter is, though, that there are renewable energies that are cheap and exist that have proven to work, decades ago and existing today. Surely you don't doubt Nicola Tesla's work? A lot of modern advances are very much inspired by it.

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That's not my problem. Its obviously not an issue of any links loading or not, its an issue of your refusal to listen. But if like Janissy its really text that you desperately need, then here's the link to the TZM blog:

TZM Blog



*refers you to the video link I gave*



You seem to not even notice that I just HAVE referred you.



Hense why I refer you to all my suporting information.



Absolutely, of course its healthy o have doubts. But the line is crossed when you venture into ignorant cynicism. The main reason why people say to me "it wont happen in my lifetime" is because they personally don't want to have to deal with the necessary change.



*again, refers you to the EXTENSIVE previous threads on this subject, the 19 hours of podcast material, the 30 minute public London presentation and numerous videos on my youtube channel*

Yea, I've made no effort whatsoever.

It might surprise you but I watched that video during our debate here. Firstly I'd like to say hi if that's you in the video well done for raising awareness.

I would like to point out to anyone before they watch the video, no scientific ground is really covered in it and so any purpose it has with the current development of the discussion is moot. We are already aware of the ZeitGeist Movement. We appreciate what it is, what it wants to do, how it would benefit mankind. But you have asked us to give you your best shot. And that is what we are doing. We want to know the real "HOW" - How can we achieve this, how can we make this possible. Not the "WHO", "WHAT", "WHEN", "WHERE", and "WHY" as that has already been established.

EDIT: I'd like to congratulate you on your efforts of raising awareness, but it is not what I'm interested in as I have long been aware.

Hi back and thankyou.



That is why its called transitional thinking. And I provided that video link to you personally as a means to show you my grasp of the value system shift required as you tried to assert a lack of knowledge on my part. I've been an advocate of this for nearly 3 years.



I explain part of that "how" towards the end of my presentation nd also in more detail in a few of my podcasts as well.

Transitional thinking doesn't build machines.

And thanks for demonstrating you're ability to understand what a shift between those value systems it really is. I don't feel knowing what a contrast it would be and pose to shift between the two is the same as knowing how to get between the two (from Point A to point B) however.

"Refusal to listen" I would gladly listen to what you have to say if it was not in a format that involves consuming way more of my time than I am willing to give an informal online discussion

It actually is your problem, if you want people to believe you. You keep telling people to go listen to hours of Q&A podcasts of you speaking instead of linking to documentation, which is how actual academic discussions use references. The link then does not work or people realize that in order to verify anything you're saying they have to listen to hours of your speaking, which is time consuming, bandwidth consuming and patience consuming. It is an intimidation tactic. Most of what you describe can be done in a concise manner but to link to long audio files as evidence is extremely questionable and seems obfuscatory to me

Imagine I made some bold claim and then backed it up with links to videos of myself making the exact same assertion. Not convincing.

Anyway have fun with your thread, I look forward to when you provide documentation, because what you are supporting isn't even something I necessarily disagree with and would be interested in reading about

Have you seen any of Doug's or Federico's material? I'm not claming to be the omnipotent overlord of this.



I never proposed that my presentation alone would be enough to solve the transition problems.



Goodbye then.



Actually the last thing I want people to do is believe me. I ask people to use what I'm saying as inspiration to do their own research and arrive at the conclusion for themselves.



*facepalm* To verify my information people need to do research into the supporting information. Oh no! Some of that is in audio and video format! lol



I would listen/watch and then use what you've said to direct me to supporting information. But that's just me.



When you realise the ARDUOUS task of research is verification you will realise that what I've asked of you is reasonable.

I don't consider listening to the podcasts of some internet guy with a bad temper "research". So come back with something useful, and I'll be waiting. Linking to yourself is not "supporting information". Research is something I have spent most of the past few years devoted to and nothing you have presented is academic or credible

The last thing you want to do is have people believe you? Now everything about your posts makes total sense. Well, have fun with arguing for no purpose then

*double facepalm* Hense why its always a good idea to verify with supporting information. Where you go to find that supporting information is your call. Stop throwing your toys out of the pram and man up. My podcasts are full of references to articles, documentaries videos, presentations and scientists that aren't even endorsers of TZM.

I concur. I'll wait for another thread to pop up from someone more credible in the movement and am going to stop posting here as well. I would just like to add joining the movement is not the same as being endorsed by the movement. So I advise others to at least use it as a discussion point for our future and to move away from the bent systems we have, than to dismiss it altogether. Who knows, perhaps a more achievable movement can spring from something like that. But I know for sure people enforcing dreams but not ideas in order to make those dreams become realities will NEVER work.

P.S. I like your quotes, dude. 'Art of War' is the shiz

EDIT: For anyone that wants to know more about the movement, THESE documentaries are the key ones. They actually do have sources, and they are easy to pick out from the source. I will warn you though there are conspiracy theories in some of the videos so do not use them as an excuse to dismiss the videos but rather skip past those sections and accept it is just their viewpoint on our current world, which has no impact on the world they are trying to create.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLVSsaS7f0s - ZeitGeist (13 parts of 10mins)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X4hwQzTTL4 - ZeitGeist Addendum (full movie, I would actually start here)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5smnJoGXl_k - ZeitGeist, Moving Forward (concentrates more on the concept and realization but not enough for my liking).

So the information has to come to you coz you don't want to go to the information. Now I understand.



This first film explains nothing about the movement or its aims as it was made before TZM even existed. To include it in here as part of how to understand TZM and an RBE is misleading.



The Zeitgeist film series is not a representative of TZM. It is merely Peter Joseph's own expression. You wanna know what the movement is about, look for the actual TZM material like lectures, blogs, radio shows. Besides you're clearly forgetting that the people on here are incredibly adverse to anything if it isnt text. lol

I'm more than happy to check supporting information if the initial reference is worth looking at. This is an informal discussion on the internet. I am not wasting seven hours listening to you talk about things that can be said in a few minutes. You can keep making personal attacks all you want, which is extremely amusing to me besides being totally out of the left field when you consider all I said to begin with was "the link does not work", but all that does is reveal how you are short on facts but high on temper. I hope someday a ZM proponent will come here who actually communicates like an adult and understands how communication and references are exchanged

Taking into consideration you refuse to even find out for yourself, it reinforces your belief that I have no content. Saying "Stop throwing your toys out of the pram and man up" is a reference to your behaiour and an assertion you should try harder thus does not constitute a "personal attack". So again, man up.

And any TZM advocate who has spoken on this forum has been endlessly noodled by multiple ignorant posters who also refuse to see the merit of such information thus losing the purpose in the process. Expecting the information to come to you is just intellectual laziness.

If your podcasts are reminiscent of your postings here, then yes, they probably have zero useful content. My "behavior"

How presumptious.

Here's the link to my youtube channel which also contains all my podcasts. Or are you gonna say this link doesn't work either. lol

www.youtube.com/AAUTZM