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02 Aug 2013, 3:20 pm

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This right winger and many like me are pro-Israel not out of love of Jews but out of respect and admiration of Israel's iron will to survive in such a hostile region.

This is a product of history and religious belief rather than an actual choice that was made to settle this area.

I'm interested in your opinion of the rights of the Palestinians?

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02 Aug 2013, 3:43 pm

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I think it should be brought up that those on the right today who claim to be so Pro-Israel are evangelicals who believe strongly in an apocalyptic theology that teaches that the New Testament kingdom of Israel is still ethnically Jewish, and that Christ will one day return to earth to rule from Jerusalem. Thus, they are supporters of Israel primarily because they think they'll get something from God in his Millennial rule of earth.

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Have you ever actually known any conservatives?
This right winger and many like me are pro-Israel not out of love of Jews but out of respect and admiration of Israel's iron will to survive in such a hostile region. I guess typical liberal one-sided pacifism prevents your kind from seeing it that way.
Yes, I've known many liberals.

Yes, I've known many conservatives. I actually count many as friends.
And looking back at my post, I concede I was not as clear as I would have liked. I was referring to those conservatives who base their Pro-Israel stance on their evangelical religion.

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02 Aug 2013, 4:02 pm

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Raptor wrote:

This right winger and many like me are pro-Israel not out of love of Jews but out of respect and admiration of Israel's iron will to survive in such a hostile region.

This is a product of history and religious belief rather than an actual choice that was made to settle this area.

Yes, I know why they are there.

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I'm interested in your opinion of the rights of the Palestinians?

The liberal media focuses enough on the rights of the Palestinians to make up for my not particularly caring about them.

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02 Aug 2013, 4:04 pm

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I was referring to those conservatives who base their Pro-Israel stance on their evangelical religion.

Ah, the ones the left calls "Christ-o-fascists".

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02 Aug 2013, 4:14 pm

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I was referring to those conservatives who base their Pro-Israel stance on their evangelical religion.

Ah, the ones the left calls "Christ-o-fascists".

I don't think I've ever used that term before.

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02 Aug 2013, 4:17 pm

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neilson_wheels wrote:

Raptor wrote:

This right winger and many like me are pro-Israel not out of love of Jews but out of respect and admiration of Israel's iron will to survive in such a hostile region.

This is a product of history and religious belief rather than an actual choice that was made to settle this area.

Yes, I know why they are there.

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I'm interested in your opinion of the rights of the Palestinians?

The liberal media focuses enough on the rights of the Palestinians to make up for my not particularly caring about them.

I think many right wingers are pro-Israel not out of love of Jews but due to animosity towards Arabs.

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02 Aug 2013, 4:20 pm

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neilson_wheels wrote:

Raptor wrote:

This right winger and many like me are pro-Israel not out of love of Jews but out of respect and admiration of Israel's iron will to survive in such a hostile region.

This is a product of history and religious belief rather than an actual choice that was made to settle this area.

Yes, I know why they are there.

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I'm interested in your opinion of the rights of the Palestinians?

The liberal media focuses enough on the rights of the Palestinians to make up for my not particularly caring about them.

I think many right wingers are pro-Israel not out of love of Jews but due to animosity towards Arabs.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend?

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02 Aug 2013, 4:50 pm

Nice choice of proverb. Again, I'm interested to know if right wingers are using a PC message on the subject?

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02 Aug 2013, 4:58 pm

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This right winger and many like me are pro-Israel not out of love of Jews

Many anti-Semites are pro-Israel these days.

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02 Aug 2013, 5:09 pm

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Nice choice of proverb. Again, I'm interested to know if right wingers are using a PC message on the subject?

PC as in politically correct? Right wingers tend not to be PC.
If your meaning is different you'll have to be specific.

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This right winger and many like me are pro-Israel not out of love of Jews

Many anti-Semites are pro-Israel these days.

Nice way to misquote and win a +r011 award.

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02 Aug 2013, 5:34 pm

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Nice choice of proverb. Again, I'm interested to know if right wingers are using a PC message on the subject?

PC as in politically correct? Right wingers tend not to be PC.

Yes I know that.

Being pro-Israel due to admiration of their courage and resilience is a much more PC message than being pro-Israel due to hating Arabs.

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02 Aug 2013, 5:38 pm

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Nice choice of proverb. Again, I'm interested to know if right wingers are using a PC message on the subject?

PC as in politically correct? Right wingers tend not to be PC.

Yes I know that.

Being pro-Israel due to admiration of their courage and resilience is a much more PC message than being pro-Israel due to hating Arabs.

And in being a hate mongering conservative and not caring about being PC, why would I bother to put up a false front?

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02 Aug 2013, 5:41 pm

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Conservatives, unlike liberals, don't get up on soap boxes and screech endlessly about equality and diversity, either.

Are you saying that equality and diversity are bad things? Or that anyone who talks about equality and diversity is a hypocrite?

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I can guess why and it goes back to what I and others have been saying in this thread and others.

You can guess why? So you know why my sibling is a very private person? What else do you know about her or him?

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02 Aug 2013, 5:43 pm

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With premillennials, that is often true, yes.

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02 Aug 2013, 5:52 pm

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And in being a hate mongering conservative and not caring about being PC, why would I bother to put up a false front?

I don't know why you would present a false front.

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02 Aug 2013, 6:59 pm

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Right wingers tend not to be PC.

Oh, no? What about discussing evolution (but not creation) for many conservative evangelicals? Or what about discussing LGBTQ rights in a public school? Many individuals from various points on the right get absolutely livid over that topic. Or what about medical doctors discussing abortion with a patient (without also bringing up adoption or encouraging the mother to keep the child)? That certainly seems like PC to me.

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