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If you start from the beginning of Matthew 15, you will see that Jesus is talking about adult children not taking finacial responsibility for their parents by declaring that portion of their wealth tho be a gift to God (typically for use by the temple), but never paying up. Thus, neglecting their parents with the blessing of the pharisees. Mark 7 paralells this conversation.

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I understand what you are saying, but that still doesn't answer my question. What is the purpose of the sin being mentioned in the first place when there is no consequence for it?

As far as you and me agreeing to disagree, I would say you are right.
Not everybody in this thread behaves in the same manner, though.

Are you being serious? What is the purpose of scripture if people don't learn it and quote it to pass it along to others? Also, if we are supposed to be having a discussion about faith, religion, Christianity, the Bible etc., how can we not quote it?

What do you mean? Of course there's consequence for it. At the gates of heaven we will be given our punishment. If I am correct some Catholics believe in purgatory. I don't know what the punishment will be but it certainly won't be easy.



Anything can be taken out of context and warped to accomplish different means then originally intended.

**Steps out** Time to get drugged up for the removal of my wisdom teeth.

This is extremely ambiguous, please elaborate.




The consequences were paid by Jesus. The pardon from sin means they avoid Hell, but have no reward in Heaven. That's where good (selfless) works come into play.

See Matthew 6:19
Matthew 19:16
Revelation 22:12

Yes, but if it does not pertain to the individual, why is it even in the Bible? I understand that you believe that the consequences were paid by Jesus but if they were the person no longer has to obey that commandment, rule, law etc. What I'm trying to say is if you are already 'saved' and are going to heaven why bother following anything else Jesus taught?

Okay on a lighter note, I always like jokes and I found one about fundamentalists. This is NOT meant to offend anybody, it is only a JOKE. Also, for the record, I did not make this up.

Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian

10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."


3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.

That can be interpereted as becoming saved and the completely disregarding the Sermon on the Mount or any other univerally understood standard of good conduct. Alot of people try to do this and God has given warning not to do that. To Him, those people are worse than those that reject God outright. God does not look kindly on people's feeble attemts to deceive Him.

Okay. Thanks.

I don't feel outraged. People denying God is the norm nowdays. The Bible warned that this day would come.





The trinity is better described as three simulteneous manifestations of a single Being. This is possible in at least 4 dimensions.



Allah is a subject for it's own thread. From a logistical perspective, the Jews should not have won most of those battles. The only reasonable explaination is that God was removing them, in which he is well within His right (He still would have been if He wanted to remove the Jews), and the Jewish invaders werer just the means by which He chose to do so.



The virgin birth, crucifixion, resurrection, ascention, and return of Jesus were all prophesized 700 years in advance. Some details 1,000 years by King David. The Greeks and Hindus can make no such claim.



Not exactly. I have concluded that the Big Bang was the method of creation, but neither argument for the age of the Earth seem to be a perfect fit.



Only God can speak authoritatively about the procedure for judgment. All He wanted was a relationship with us. He does not take delight in judgment.



I've seen those people before. I don't know where they get their doctrine, but it's not in the Bible. (Tongues is in the Bible, passing out or rolling around is defionitely not).




The people surveyed must try to treat God like a magic genie or something. Instead of holding a Boy Scout rank equivalent to Eagle Scout and currently studying to becone a MCSE, my parents would have had to dump me in a mental institution about 15 years ago if it wasn't for God's interventon in my life.




How many days have we been at a stalemate now?
(Not that it hasn't been fun!)

She employs BIRTH CONTROL. Most modern birth control does not allow eggs and sperm to meet, thereby no life is created. Do you consider chopping off a finger to be murder? No. Secondly, iirc, the Bible itself states that when the mother is at risk by the pregnancy no sin is committed to save the mother's life at expense of the unborn. Who are we to choose the life of what is yet to be over what already exists?
While we're in the area of bible-bashing, did you know that Sunday is not the sabbath God rested on? Review the easter story. Jesus died, rested on the sabbath, and was ressurected on the day after. Christians celebrate his death on Friday and his resurrection on Sunday. If he rested on the sabbath, doesn't this make it Saturday which was recognised by God? Furthermore, God rested on the last day of the week. Does the week now start on Mondays? Nowhere in the bible does God or Jesus give the Pope the power to change the sabbath to a Sunday, so celebrating the day ordained by the Pope as sabbath is contrary to God's decree that Man worship God on the sabbath and keep it holy. The bible was INSPIRED by God, it was not dictated by God. Humans are fallable and prone to forcing their own interpretations upon what is written.

God's reason for having a sabbath is for the body to have a day to rest from the working the rest of the week. The Old Testament law had lots of beneficial helth- related commandments like this.

"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath". (Mark 2:27)

The old testament still applies and is still relevant. If we said otherwise, then the 10 Commandments would be useless and irrelevant because its in the old testament. But the Mosaic law no longer applies, because the end target which it was directed towards has now passed. We do not sacrifice sheep, because it was symbolic of placing their sins upon Jesus at the cross. Since the event, we do not need to follow the Mosaic law but simply to accept Jesus sacrifice and intervention on our behalf. Nonetheless, the Mosaic law is diverse and some sections, especially regarding health, still apply and have not diminished in their relevance.
Personally, I don't want to accept such a sacrifice on my behalf. I do not want to worship a benign God who lets the world go to ruin just to prove a point. He could have destroyed the world when it was only at grand total populace of 2, but he decided to let billions live lives filled with pain to prove Lucifer wrong and himself a just god. This, to me, just proves he failed miserably. Lucifer, who knows God's existence to be true, can still be saved. How fair is it that he has such chances, though he's the culprit, while we mortals will be damned for living a short life without knowing God.

You are forgetting the Commandments.

"Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days shall you labour and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy." Exodus 20:8-11