When did you grow weary of Capitalists?

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09 Jul 2014, 2:13 pm

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/\That was a compilation of all the angry liberal personalities we have and have had in recent years.

But was any of that compilation drawn from my former posts?

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09 Jul 2014, 8:45 pm

This one comes to mind.

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For a conservative like you I imagine that means going back to an agrarian economy and society with plenty of work for the darker skinned types your party despises so much! (<more anger)

Most (not all) of the really angry ones have left.

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09 Jul 2014, 8:47 pm

I'm here,but I'm not really angry at this moment.

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09 Jul 2014, 8:50 pm

Raptor wrote:

This one comes to mind.

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For a conservative like you I imagine that means going back to an agrarian economy and society with plenty of work for the darker skinned types your party despises so much! (<more anger)

Most (not all) of the really angry ones have left.

That of course was not my quote.

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09 Jul 2014, 9:08 pm

Stannis wrote:

Capitalism works when enough workers are sufficiently militant-and principled to frighten the rich into allowing capitalism to be modified so as to produce more egalitarian outcomes. The problem is that once a decent standard of living is achieved through militancy, over time the conditions that gave rise to that militancy in the first place won't be there and the workers will no longer be in a position to protect their gains.

I don't think any amount wealth redistribution can recover all the time spent performing non-autonomous labour, or the environmental devastation that will lead to mass extinction.

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09 Jul 2014, 9:18 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

Raptor wrote:

This one comes to mind.

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For a conservative like you I imagine that means going back to an agrarian economy and society with plenty of work for the darker skinned types your party despises so much! (<more anger)

Most (not all) of the really angry ones have left.

That of course was not my quote.

I had to spice it up with a more typical angry liberal reply. Your actual reply agreed with me

and I was certain that you'd regret that later so I fixed it for you.

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09 Jul 2014, 10:21 pm

Why would liberals be against American made products?I'd pay a few bucks extra for a quality item.Sometimes that's not what you get,I bought a sharp shooter shovel made here,and when I was using it,it bent,now that is BS,what kind of inferior metal was that,I've never had a shovel bend when digging.
At least Kraichgauer and I drive American made products.

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09 Jul 2014, 10:36 pm

/\. U don't get it so nevermind.....

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09 Jul 2014, 10:44 pm

Well thanks.Why do you think I don't get it?Please explain.

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09 Jul 2014, 11:04 pm

Raptor wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Raptor wrote:

This one comes to mind.

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For a conservative like you I imagine that means going back to an agrarian economy and society with plenty of work for the darker skinned types your party despises so much! (<more anger)

Most (not all) of the really angry ones have left.

That of course was not my quote.

I had to spice it up with a more typical angry liberal reply. Your actual reply agreed with me

and I was certain that you'd regret that later so I fixed it for you.

Well thanks - I guess.

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10 Jul 2014, 2:13 pm

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I don't think any amount wealth redistribution can recover all the time spent performing non-autonomous labour

I don't exactly get what you mean by non-autonomous labor, but why is it a problem if you get more for your work than you would get working for yourself?

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, or the environmental devastation that will lead to mass extinction.

Capitalism with restraints on pollution (e. g. in the form of Pigou taxes) would still work better than socialism with pollution restricted to the same level.

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10 Jul 2014, 5:05 pm

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I don't exactly get what you mean by non-autonomous labor, but why is it a problem if you get more for your work than you would get working for yourself?

I don't have a problem with people working together in free association. I have a problem with hierarchical structures of command and obedience.

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Capitalism with restraints on pollution (e. g. in the form of Pigou taxes) would still work better than socialism with pollution restricted to the same level.

How would a politician in favour of Pigou taxes succeed? The ruling class would run a smear campaign, and people would lose jobs, which is bad news, because people depend on wages for necessities within capitalism. The market creates a need for BS jobs, which is bad for the environment.

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14 Jul 2014, 5:13 pm

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We should separate what's the ideal system and what can be achieved. The question how Pigou taxes would succeed matter in the latter discussion. But in the same manner, how would abolishing capitalism succeed?

With Pigou taxes people typically wouldn't lose jobs (though they would need to change jobs in some cases). Real wages would decrease a little, as a consequence of that it is more difficult to produce goods with less pollution.

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14 Jul 2014, 7:09 pm

1024 wrote:

RushKing wrote:

In revolt

1024 wrote:

With Pigou taxes people typically wouldn't lose jobs (though they would need to change jobs in some cases). Real wages would decrease a little, as a consequence of that it is more difficult to produce goods with less pollution.

Politicians have to work with the system, and the system has growth imperatives attatched to it. How can a politician change this reality?

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14 Jul 2014, 8:00 pm

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1024 wrote:

RushKing wrote:

In revolt

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14 Jul 2014, 10:49 pm

1024 wrote:

Then why not introduce Pigou taxes with revolt? (Assuming that capitalism with Pigou taxes on pollution would work well. Of course there may be other arguments against capitalism, but the environmental one is incorrect in my opinion. Also, I think that on the short term limiting pollution would be as bad for ordinary people as for capital owners, so they wouldn't support such limits in any economic system.) Also, I think that on the short term limiting pollution would be as bad for ordinary people as for capital owners, so they wouldn't support such limits in any economic system.)

I don't think green policy would affect a decentrally planned economy as much as a capitalist one. Research would be revolutionized, because scientists would have all their needs taken care of. In capitalism, these people would rely on monetary investments. Green economic development in this type of economic system would be practical. I just can't see any sort of green capitalism coming about in the future.

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