James Brady Dead At 74.

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Who says - other than you - that I was wrong?

Anyone who pays attention? Your partisanship is pretty obvious, if a Democrat does something wrong, your nose has to be rubbed in it pretty hard before you'll even acknowledge it, even fairly blatant misdeeds, where as you're happy to believe the most outlandish things about Republicans and other non-Democrats, even in the face of evidence to the contrary. You don't even care about guns other than as a partisan issue, as in you believe what you're told to believe without actually thinking about it, as opposed to guys like me and Raptor, who both, IIRC, came from anti-gun households and had to draw our own conclusions, like kids indoctrinated by D.A.R.E. who didn't die after smoking pot.

As to the specific post, you don't understand the Right, and never have, and your personal inability to understand the motivations of others does not make them wrong. If I think that taking less money out of people's paychecks is the more efficient way to lift them out of poverty, who's to say I'm wrong? You?

You stubbornly follow the party line on anything.
Starting this thread is an example.
You've been walked through this topic (and you know what I mean by this topic) time and time again only to grudgingly admit that you might be wrong, then a month later you go back to your default setting which is anti-gun. It's not just me, either. Dox has called you out on this very topic probably more than I have.
Either be pro or anti and just stick to it, right or wrong. Even though it's not part of the liberal narrative covering civil rights, it actually is a civil rights issue which means it's not a à la carte subject. You're either in or out.

Raptor and Dox-

I refuse to believe Republicans and libertarians are in te right concerning those in need. Are the Democrats always right? Of course not. But neither of you seem to believe that the left is ever right. And as for letting people keep what they've earned in their paychecks as a means to fight poverty - what about ensuring for their retirement? And no, most people don't think about that when they're young. Or unemployment insurance? Or medical insurance? You can say shoulda, woulda, coulda, but people don't think ahead when they have the present and the needs of the immediate to worry about.

I know.

The operative word is 'refuse'. not "I am not convinced" or "I've come to a different conclusion", but "I refuse to even consider this possibility", which is indoctrination talking, not thinking, and incidentally is the very thing you so often accuse other people of.



Ahh, your old friend moral equivalency, the well that never goes dry for partisan hacks. In this case though, you're either being deliberately mendacious or have a very spotty memory, as both Raptor and I hold positions that would be considered fairly left wing, such as an antipathy towards the drug war and our increasingly hostile police, off the top of my head. In my specific case, my support for open borders, a guaranteed minimum income, justice system reform, slashing of the military budget, gay rights, etc takes me pretty far out of the conservative camp, to the point where I out liberal liberals in a number of areas, and I'm not shy about talking about these things, but you only remember the part where I say mean things about Democrats because that's how your partisan worldview has to process me to avoid thinking.

Don't forget that I voted Obama in 08 either, that kind of trips up your whole "Dox just hates Democrats/liberals" narrative... Even if I was the partisan that you're failing to paint me as, it also wouldn't make you right, proving a position requires more than pointing out that the other guys makes mistakes as well.



Let me be frank for a moment; you know nothing about guns, yet you want to regulate them for those who do, you know nothing about economics, yet want to dictate other peoples personal finances, and generally think your opinion is so self evidently right and correct and moral that anyone who thinks differently must actually have ill intent to reject such a perfect, well intentioned system, and yet you clearly don't think things through and have never been able to defend your ideas when they're scrutinized by those of us who do. Basically, you're what's wrong with politics today, a low information voter who thinks he knows best for everyone else and wants to enforce your views through the state. Say what you will about my positions, but they're informed positions that change with new information, which is more than I can say for any of yours.

Who are you to dictate how other people allocate their money? You've been so successful at it that you think you should be able to make financial decisions for everyone else as well?

Well, I admit I get dragged into arguments about guns, which is a subject I honestly could care less about, save to keep the most people safe from death and injury. But regarding withholding money from people's paychecks so they don't go hungry and homeless when unemployed or retired has a proven record. I challenge you to prove me wrong on that point.

I've never said we shouldn't have social services, welfare, unemployment, or social security pensions. I don't think you'll find very many mainstream conservatives that work for a living that will tell you that either. My issue with the above is system abuse and manipulation, not that I'm going to hold my breath waiting for it to be remedied. And if I'm forced to pay into social security I'd better be able to collect when my time comes.

Dragged in to? Yeah, right. When did this happen? No one's dragged you into any gun control debate that I can remember. You come in to them on your own accord and spout some uninformed lukewarm party line anti-gun opinion after being shown and then reluctantly admitting it was BS. Having said that, one cannot help but think that you started this thread with the intent on starting a gunz-r-bad argument.


For the millionth time, nothing about the Brady Center Against Gun Violence or whatever it?s calling itself this month is about gun safety. Gun safety and accountability are a result of safety training, the earlier the better.

Who said ASpies lack emotion ??

According to the news his death has been ruled a homicide.

Ya, 33 years after being shot. Kind of weird but I guess there is no statute of limitations on murder sort of-maybe not, you're guilty of murder if someone dies up to one year and day resulting from injuries. I've heard John Hinckley Jr as been doing better in recent years so they might try to stop him from ever being released.

I get dragged in by your hyperbole in attacking what I had written, then I end up responding again and again to your attacks. That's how I get dragged in.
And I think you know that when I use the word safety in this respect, I'm referring to the waiting periods and background checks meant to keep people safe.

Or hey, why just not forget Brady, make no mention of his death, and make him a non-person in order to make the WP gun lobby happy?!?!?

Have you been taking lessons from Sonofghandi? (e.g. spinning things, accusing me of hyperbole just because I pointed yours out, calling my replies attacks, acting butthurt, etc...)


Again, you demonstrate you don't know the meaning of the word safety or the agenda of the Brady Center. You've got two people on this forum, a certified Range Safety Officer and a degreed gunsmith, that know the subject front to back yet you continue to hold to the party line on this issue. Let me clue you in; regardless of your buddy sonofghandi's "statistics", a growing number of liberals in the past 2-5 years are no longer drinking the gunz-r-bad coolaid. Why does the democratic party insist on hanging on to this plank in their platform? It's either stupidity or malevolence but either way I don't think that a significant number of their constituents would miss it if they dropped it.
Why do you stubbornly insist on hanging onto a stand that doesn't even apply to you?

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Okay, let's say the president of the NRA, GOA, or JPFO had died. Would you have started a thread commemorating the wonderful contributions they have made?

I would have at least made reference to any of their passing, as it's a news worthy event. Had it been Charlton Heston, I certainly would have lavished praise on his movie career, and on his civil rights involvement.