08 Oct 2014, 12:50 pm
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08 Oct 2014, 4:24 pm
you are not correct. If you roll a fair 6-sided die 12 times, the sequence
1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 is extremely unlikely, but it is not even a tiny bit less likely than
1-4-5-2-1-3-6-4-4-1-2-5. Both sequences are equally mathematically unlikely. Both can are equally likely to come up randomly.{edit: both sequences are extremely mathematically unlikely: 6^12. If you want to take it further, just add a few rolls of the die.{/edit}
Yes, but the argument was about extreme mathematical unlikeliness.
Yes, it was.
Well, gosh, I've never heard of that before. (/sarcasm)
Non-scientists are so unacquainted with large numbers that they freak out over the first one that someone throws down in front of them.
Again: if the universe were elsewhise, we wouldn't be here to wonder over it. If any of your ancestors had come from a different sperm out of the millions in a single ejaculate, you wouldn't be here. Someone else would be. The odds of your existence are infinitely, vanishingly, small. That doesn't mean that the entire universe was organized just to put you here.
Oh dear it seems more and more people are replacing nonsense faith with nonsensical and far fetched personalised understandings of actual science. What next the Photon Epoch validates "Let There Be Light"
So what, the Universe works in a way which allows for life, and this Earth is capable of supporting life. What you lot seem to be forgetting is in the case of the Earth, whilst the improbability factor that we have such a planet to live on is very high, the numbers allow for it and suggest many many more such planets. As for the universe, once again you are making the unjustified assumption that this is the only universe, same as your forebears did in regard to this planet and solar system. Remove this constraint and you once again have an almost infinitely improbable occurrence with an almost infinite number of chances to make it happen. When you allow for multiple universes this universe is certainly remarkable but it is far from implausible. Read Lawrence Krauss "A Universe from nothing" or Hawking "The Grand Design". Retreating back to "God did it" Is not only fundamentally flawed, it is intellectually lazy.
08 Oct 2014, 10:51 pm
08 Oct 2014, 10:56 pm
you are not correct. If you roll a fair 6-sided die 12 times, the sequence
1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 is extremely unlikely, but it is not even a tiny bit less likely than
1-4-5-2-1-3-6-4-4-1-2-5. Both sequences are equally mathematically unlikely. Both can are equally likely to come up randomly.{edit: both sequences are extremely mathematically unlikely: 6^12. If you want to take it further, just add a few rolls of the die.{/edit}
Yes, but the argument was about extreme mathematical unlikeliness.
Yes, it was.
Well, gosh, I've never heard of that before. (/sarcasm)
Non-scientists are so unacquainted with large numbers that they freak out over the first one that someone throws down in front of them.
The argument put forth in this thread is that the matter distribution of empty space ( the physical application of the cosmological constant ) is such a fine tuned value that its arrival by chance is outside the bounds of probability.
08 Oct 2014, 11:15 pm
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08 Oct 2014, 11:24 pm
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09 Oct 2014, 4:46 am
you are not correct. If you roll a fair 6-sided die 12 times, the sequence
1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 is extremely unlikely, but it is not even a tiny bit less likely than
1-4-5-2-1-3-6-4-4-1-2-5. Both sequences are equally mathematically unlikely. Both can are equally likely to come up randomly.{edit: both sequences are extremely mathematically unlikely: 6^12. If you want to take it further, just add a few rolls of the die.{/edit}
Yes, but the argument was about extreme mathematical unlikeliness.
Yes, it was.
Well, gosh, I've never heard of that before. (/sarcasm)
Non-scientists are so unacquainted with large numbers that they freak out over the first one that someone throws down in front of them.
The argument put forth in this thread is that the matter distribution of empty space ( the physical application of the cosmological constant ) is such a fine tuned value that its arrival by chance is outside the bounds of probability.
Only because you are so short sighted that you cannot see the possibility of other universes. Your position begs the question what is more probable an creator who is outside time and space and who has always existed or multiple universes. We have no evidence for any form of god but we do have evidence for universes., well at least one and if there is one why should there not be many
09 Oct 2014, 3:53 pm
09 Oct 2014, 4:53 pm
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09 Oct 2014, 5:20 pm
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09 Oct 2014, 7:31 pm
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09 Oct 2014, 7:37 pm
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09 Oct 2014, 8:43 pm
Good grief!! ! I have been reading other posts of his, * he has about a third graders understanding of philosophy and logic!! !
* In particular his answers in the existence thread.
Remember, I do not believe in God. I am embarrassed to be associated with someone so ignorant, incapable of logic and arrogant!
I have submitted an application for that forum and if accepted, he will run for his mommy crying, unfair, unfair he destroyed all my arguments! 
Unfortunately, he will probably read this (as part of the process of determining if I am worthy of joining his forum) and reject me. The weak always avoid a fight.
10 Oct 2014, 7:14 am
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