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05 Apr 2016, 6:22 pm

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The people with dreadlocks must have "appropriated" the dreadlock concept from SOMEWHERE. Then adopted it as their own. They certainly didn't get it from Haile Selassie (whom the rastas worship).


Sure that is what I'm saying.

The sad thing is the people who are behind the ideology that this woman is expressing, are getting her to look at herself and her identity in such a limited way.

In that sense they have more in common with far right nationalist/supremacists.



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05 Apr 2016, 6:26 pm

The title says it all: in order to beat someone up, you need to be physically able to beat them up. You don't need the particular excuse you choose to justify it with to be reasonable. Any excuse, reasonable or not, is just icing on the cake.


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05 Apr 2016, 6:44 pm

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The title says it all: in order to beat someone up, you need to be physically able to beat them up. You don't need the particular excuse you choose to justify it with to be reasonable. Any excuse, reasonable or not, is just icing on the cake.


Sure but in her own mind do you think that she was aggrieved for the reasons she gave? I have no reason to doubt that.

It is complicated but I think it does relate to victim mentality.

Just to be clear victim mentality doesn't preclude being a genuine victim, it just happens to perpetuate victimhood, sometimes inter-generationally.

Some will call that victim blaming, but I have words on the often simplistic nature of those discussion as well.

One can be a victim, and also a victimiser.

Also as I said, I suspect strongly that she has been fed this identity, by social theorists. This is not a new phenomenon, I have been aware of this form of identity politics from time.

You may be right that she may have had more personal issues that were closer to home and this fed into a an identity that found a form of decisive politics attractive.

My opinion is it detracts, and distracts from where the real social issues lie, focusing on campuses (where these academics spend much of their life) and with celebrities and media personalities.



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05 Apr 2016, 8:31 pm

0_equals_true wrote:
The sad thing is the people who are behind the ideology that this woman is expressing, are getting her to look at herself and her identity in such a limited way.

In that sense they have more in common with far right nationalist/supremacists.


Except those people are represent the far left. Or is this some kind of attempt to deflect criticism? An automatic reflex to deflect attention away from the political agenda (if any) of those pushing those kind of theories. Unless you want to include Black Supremacists who might be pushing that kind of theories, but most people do not include those when they use those terms. Alto it is possible you might.

But if those theories are pushed by those who in popular terminology are called Cultural Marxists it would be even more so unnecessary obfuscation.



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06 Apr 2016, 9:10 am

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A young woman says something controversial in college, and now she's infamous for all time. A young man with an unconventional hairstyle is now international news because of it. There was a time when surveillance camera's on street corners would make most people shiver at the implications.

This. It's not a big deal. College is the perfect time to experiment with your social and political views. Obviously it's been covered all out of proportion to it's importance. No one was actually assaulted. These are basically children. What about the Rolling Stones who borrowed all kinds of riffs from the blues? Should no one play the banjo because it was a slave instrument? How about hip hop sampling classical music? No one owns culture.



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06 Apr 2016, 9:20 am

Absolutely!

Everybody "appropriates" something from somewhere.

If people know this, this whole "appropriating" thing would be rendered a totally moot point.



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06 Apr 2016, 11:28 am

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06 Apr 2016, 11:43 am

But don't forget some people will beat you up for it.


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06 Apr 2016, 12:28 pm

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Except those people are represent the far left. Or is this some kind of attempt to deflect criticism? An automatic reflex to deflect attention away from the political agenda (if any) of those pushing those kind of theories. Unless you want to include Black Supremacists who might be pushing that kind of theories, but most people do not include those when they use those terms. Alto it is possible you might.


I'm not from the left.

The reality is repressiveness comes full circle.

Are you on the far right? Louis Farrakhan is far right, arguably.

You point on Marxism, it something the exist in universities. Marx always made excuses when asked when he was going to start the revolution, he was too comfortable with his life. These people make their lives in academia, and you do have a point here as some of those involves in such social theories are also self-professed Marxist.

Most people don't think Marxism is a good solution. I think there is a tendency to see a lot for different things under the cloak Marxism. I personally think this is lazy, whether you agree with these movements or not.



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06 Apr 2016, 1:03 pm

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But don't forget some people will beat you up for it.

No one got beaten up.



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06 Apr 2016, 1:04 pm

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Except those people are represent the far left. Or is this some kind of attempt to deflect criticism? An automatic reflex to deflect attention away from the political agenda (if any) of those pushing those kind of theories. Unless you want to include Black Supremacists who might be pushing that kind of theories, but most people do not include those when they use those terms. Alto it is possible you might.


I'm not from the left.

The reality is repressiveness comes full circle.

Are you on the far right? Louis Farrakhan is far right, arguably.

You point on Marxism, it something the exist in universities. Marx always made excuses when asked when he was going to start the revolution, he was too comfortable with his life. These people make their lives in academia, and you do have a point here as some of those involves in such social theories are also self-professed Marxist.

Most people don't think Marxism is a good solution. I think there is a tendency to see a lot for different things under the cloak Marxism. I personally think this is lazy, whether you agree with these movements or not.

I'm a Marxist, but I don't see what that has to do with it.



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06 Apr 2016, 1:18 pm

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I'm a Marxist, but I don't see what that has to do with it.


Critical Theory has some connections to Marxism through Critical Race Theory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freudo-Marxism

Cultural Appropriation is an aspect of CRT.

However that is not the same thing as saying it is Marxism.



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06 Apr 2016, 2:21 pm

That is ridiculous, and everyone can see that crazy woman was grabbing at him and blocking his way...then turns around and says 'don't put your hands on me' or whatever to the guy when all he's trying to do is get her to let go of him so he can walk away.

My brother has dreadlocks and he hasn't told me of anyone accusing him of stealing anyones culture...either way kind of a moot point especially in the United States that's a mixture of a bunch of different cultures so any person is going to have exposure and immersion in various cultural styles or traditions.


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06 Apr 2016, 2:26 pm

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Damn right. I'm so glad that minor altercations like the one shown in the video are the worst form of racial animosity that white people ever have to suffer at the hands of non-whites. It's so comforting to me to know that the thousands of rapes and murders of whites by non-whites throughout the West every year have nothing to do with 'hate' or anything.


Who said this video is the worst form of racial animosity what white people ever have to suffer at the hands of non-whites? Also racial animosity non-whites have suffered does not make what that woman in the video did appropriate. She was still saying because of his race he can't have the hairstyle he has which is kinda screwed up...who is she to tell people what they can and cant do because of the color of their skin?

Ignoring any racial transgressions towards whites on account of 'but worse has happened to the minorities' is part of the problem that encourages racial tension.


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06 Apr 2016, 2:55 pm

The whole concept of "cultural appropriation" is ass backward anyway. Adopting an element of another race's culture is not racism. Its the opposite of racism.

If you're a conqueror you force the enslaved to conform to your culture. Not the other way around. If someone really is oppressing you then you have to worry about you conforming to their culture, not about them borrowing from your culture.



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06 Apr 2016, 3:14 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
The whole concept of "cultural appropriation" is ass backward anyway. Adopting an element of another race's culture is not racism. Its the opposite of racism.

If you're a conqueror you force the enslaved to conform to your culture. Not the other way around. If someone really is oppressing you then you have to worry about you conforming to their culture, not about them borrowing from your culture.


Not being "authentic" is capital crime to these millennials even tho they struggle with the actual definition of it, these are the same people who will start hating a band because they get popular. Hipsterism meets cultural marxism.