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26 Jul 2016, 4:35 pm

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Shariah is inferred from the Q'ran and that Hadith by a select few scholars and imams. The Ulima. I prefer to be governed by law that I had a hand in making, or could have a hand in making. Law that is formulated by ordinary human beings who do not believe they have a tight data link to The Almighty, Himself.

If Muslims voluntarily wish to have non-criminal legal matter settled by an Islamic court operating under Shariah and none of the penalties violate civil law, then why not? Voluntary settlement of torts is permitted under the law in most States. Orthodox Jews often resort to Rabbinic Courts to settle their differences. As long as Shariah is not imposed on the unwilling, there is no problem.


Lebanon has a such system -

Criminal law, trade law and labor law are all governed under civil law.

While marriage, custody, divorce, wealth inheritance,...are all under what we call "laws of personal status" and they refer to Religious courts, each sect has its own religious court. Sunni have their own (Sunni Sharia), Shia have their own (Shia Sharia), Catholics have their own (Church laws), Druze have their own (Epistles of wisdom/Sharia)...


And they all suck big ass:
https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/comme ... civil-laws

This system abolishes atheist/secular 's legal presence , the person's religion is to be defined by birth and it strongly discourages cross-religion marriages and unions...

The demand on allowing optional civil marriage is still being resisted by clerics of all sects. All civil marriage performed overseas are accepted and they apply the law of the countries where those marriages occurred.
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Lebano ... istry.ashx

That what happens when you give clerics too much power.



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26 Jul 2016, 4:42 pm

I believe, until about the 14th century, that Shariah Law had to ability to be amended and tinkered with, based upon the opinion of an Islamic legal scholar.

Since the 14th century, though, I've heard, Shariah Law has been standardized.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

LOL.......I stand corrected.

I'll have to research further to find out if Shariah can be changed based upon some sort of proclamation, or some sort of new precedent--just like secular law can.



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26 Jul 2016, 5:06 pm

my guess is, common sense and economic interests overshadowed inflexible canon in times and places such as periods of the muslim rule in spain (where even a hybrid romance/semitic language evolved thanks to peaceful contact and trade. many arabic words survive to this day in spanish and portuguese, notably words related to commercial goods and public administration)

not essentially different in that regard from moderate or secularized christians, i think


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27 Jul 2016, 2:15 am

^^^ The so-called "Golden Age" of the Islamic culture happened thanks to the non-devout and secular Arab/Persian free thinkers.

And most of those faced torture and death in the face of Sharia and Pro-Sharia rulers:

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Translation: They taught us in schools that Medieval Europe, in their darkest era, was used to accuse their thinkers of blasphemy yet they forget that....

Ibn al-Muqaffa was cut in pieces...his limbs were cut, one by one, and grilled before his eyes and forced to eat his own parts, till he died.
and Al Suhrawardī was killed...
and Ja'd ibn Dirham was slayed....
and Lisan ad-Din ibn al-Khatib was suffocated...
and Saleh bin Quds was crucified....
and the books of the Al Asfahani and Ibn el Rushd had been burned...

and those were all declared as kafirs: Al Kanadi, Al Farabi, Al Razi, Ibn Sina, Ibn Battouta, Al Idrissi, Ibn Khaldoun, Ibn Hayan, Bashar bin Bard, Al Khwarizmi, Ibn el Rushd, Al Jahiz, Al Sahroudi, Rabi'a al-'Adawiyya, Al Ghazali, Al Ma'arri, Ibn el Fared, Alhazen, Ibn el Rawandi, al Tawhidi, and Omr el Khiyam...and ...and ...and...

Follow my thread for more: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=320545


Honestly, OP, I don't trust you anymore, I won't be surprised if you are trying to track me now and to send people after me to kill me.

That what your Prophet did to those who dared to criticize Islam. I do not trust any strongly-Pro-Sharia Muslim.



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27 Jul 2016, 3:17 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Follow my thread for more: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=320545

always interesting to see what kinds of debates and controversies are going on that we don't get to hear about from the outside. thanks for the link. i'm bookmarking it for later

since you're so outspoken, i guess you won't mind if i ask you, so i can see where you're coming from when i read your thoughts on religion/politics: what religious group are you technically part of?


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27 Jul 2016, 3:26 pm

anagram wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Follow my thread for more: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=320545

always interesting to see what kinds of debates and controversies are going on that we don't get to hear about from the outside. thanks for the link. i'm bookmarking it for later

since you're so outspoken, i guess you won't mind if i ask you, so i can see where you're coming from when i read your thoughts on religion/politics: what religious group are you technically part of?


Will answer you via PM



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27 Jul 2016, 3:28 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Will answer you via PM

ok. thanks


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27 Jul 2016, 4:13 pm

Sharia Law would be fine and dandy if this were the Seventh Century,or even the Seventeenth Century. But not today.



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01 Aug 2016, 9:39 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Honestly, OP, I don't trust you anymore, I won't be surprised if you are trying to track me now and to send people after me to kill me.

What is your freakin' problem?

That's sick, Boo, why would you say something like that?



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01 Aug 2016, 10:08 pm

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What is your freakin' problem?

That's sick, Boo, why would you say something like that?

because he's being emotional (and paranoid*, more specifically). women don't have a monopoly on that. nobody does

you see my point now? let's face it, what you're talking about here and in your other thread are your feelings of being discriminated (for being muslim, for being female). which are valid and not unwarranted at all. but that doesn't make sharia law all rainbows, and doesn't make it extremely incompatible with ideals of gender equality either

if you're tired of being a victim of reality, then you need to face reality. american culture/society is screwed-up in a lot of ways, but just like women don't have a monopoly on being emotional, americans don't have a monopoly on being screwed-up either

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* i can understand why the paranoia. still, in this case, it is paranoia


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01 Aug 2016, 10:19 pm

^^^^^You two... FOB, and Ms Barchan....start playing nice! :D

But both of you keep on posting!

Both of you have quite informative and interesting POV's.



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02 Aug 2016, 2:04 am

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doesn't make it extremely incompatible with ideals of gender equality either

wait, oops... that doesn't sound right. should have been "doesn't change the fact that it's extremely incompatible". too many negatives, it gets confusing


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02 Aug 2016, 3:40 am

Barchan wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Honestly, OP, I don't trust you anymore, I won't be surprised if you are trying to track me now and to send people after me to kill me.

What is your freakin' problem?

That's sick, Boo, why would you say something like that?


To see your human reaction on that.

Good....so you know it's sick. You know that it's sick to send killers after someone just because he objects or criticize your ideology.

It's time for you to re-read the Sira and hadith in depth.



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02 Aug 2016, 5:08 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Barchan wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Honestly, OP, I don't trust you anymore, I won't be surprised if you are trying to track me now and to send people after me to kill me.

What is your freakin' problem?

That's sick, Boo, why would you say something like that?


To see your human reaction on that.

Good....so you know it's sick. You know that it's sick to send killers after someone just because he objects or criticize your ideology.

It's time for you to re-read the Sira and hadith in depth.

i didn't see that coming

well played


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02 Aug 2016, 2:25 pm

Nothing should have any superior standing than State law or Federal law passed in accord with State constitutions or the Federal constitution. We live in a Republic governed under man-made law, not in a theocracy.....


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02 Aug 2016, 2:53 pm

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Nothing should have any superior standing than State law or Federal law passed in accord with State constitutions or the Federal constitution. We live in a Republic governed under man-made law, not in a theocracy.....


Amen.


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