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02 Dec 2016, 7:38 pm

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Raptor isn't hard hearted at all. He loves dogs! :D

And I'm not talking about specially home-bred pit bulls. He doesn't train killer dogs to protect his fortress. He rescues cuddly ones.


Now if only he'd extend the same kindness to his fellow humans in need.


We've been over this more than once.
I'm not a liberal so my variety of kindness doesn't promote stealing from one group to give to another.

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It's easy to say that when you don't want to help someone else.
And seriously, stealing? Is the military stealing by using taxpayer money? Is fire and police protection stealing for using other people's money to help those few who are victims of fire or crime?


Yeah, whatev... :roll:
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Raptor isn't hard hearted at all. He loves dogs! :D


I can't believe you passed up an opportunity to compare me to Hitler since he was an ardent dog lover, too.
Others have.

Skippy


But Hitler had also tested the cyanide he and Eva took first on his dog, Blondie. Have I ever accused you of such a thing?


Doesn't matter, the consensus among conservatives is that all liberals are communists and the consensus among liberals is that all conservatives are nazis.


When have I ever called all conservatives Nazis? My problem is with those conservatives who are always taking the side of the taxpayer against those who are destitute for reasons of situation, disability, or age, accusing the needy and their liberal advocates of stealing from the haves. I don't think conservatives are inherently racist fascists, but are motivated by their hatred and contempt of the poor. So, no, I don't think you're a Nazi, Skippy.


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02 Dec 2016, 9:42 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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Kraichgauer wrote:
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envirozentinel wrote:
Raptor isn't hard hearted at all. He loves dogs! :D

And I'm not talking about specially home-bred pit bulls. He doesn't train killer dogs to protect his fortress. He rescues cuddly ones.


Now if only he'd extend the same kindness to his fellow humans in need.


We've been over this more than once.
I'm not a liberal so my variety of kindness doesn't promote stealing from one group to give to another.

Warmest regards,
Skippy


It's easy to say that when you don't want to help someone else.
And seriously, stealing? Is the military stealing by using taxpayer money? Is fire and police protection stealing for using other people's money to help those few who are victims of fire or crime?


Yeah, whatev... :roll:
envirozentinel wrote:
Raptor isn't hard hearted at all. He loves dogs! :D


I can't believe you passed up an opportunity to compare me to Hitler since he was an ardent dog lover, too.
Others have.

Skippy


But Hitler had also tested the cyanide he and Eva took first on his dog, Blondie. Have I ever accused you of such a thing?


Doesn't matter, the consensus among conservatives is that all liberals are communists and the consensus among liberals is that all conservatives are nazis.


When have I ever called all conservatives Nazis? My problem is with those conservatives who are always taking the side of the taxpayer against those who are destitute for reasons of situation, disability, or age, accusing the needy and their liberal advocates of stealing from the haves. I don't think conservatives are inherently racist fascists, but are motivated by their hatred and contempt of the poor. So, no, I don't think you're a Nazi, Skippy.


Skippy is very disappointed :(


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03 Dec 2016, 12:32 am

Why, Skippy? I was only explaining myself.


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03 Dec 2016, 1:19 am

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I don't think conservatives are inherently racist fascists, but are motivated by their hatred and contempt of the poor.


Bill, one of these days you're going to have to realize that you have no idea what motivates conservatives, and most of the trouble you get yourself into on here comes directly from the delusion that you do.


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03 Dec 2016, 1:32 am

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Depends how you define the term. There are several users who are opposed to abortion and quite a few who are opposed to feminism and LGBT+ rights, as well as a smattering of climate change denialists, and a good portion of those users are several of those things at once.


There's nothing socially conservative about being anti-feminism, as well you should know as an at least occasional Slate Star Codex reader, that movement has gotten quite toxic and off-putting, even to socially liberal people who believe in gender equality.

Same with skepticism of climate change, I'm really not sure how you're lumping that into social conservatism, as I think that's pretty squarely tied to economic conservatism, especially since capitulation on the issue is widely seen less as a matter of science and more as a matter of not giving liberals a green light to regulate business to death in the name of climate change.

Abortion, sure, that's the issue for social conservatives, but even then, our abortion opponents don't seem to be particularly religiously motivated, which is what at least I tend to think of when the issue comes up. I'm also not aware of anyone on here who is actually anti-gay, the closest I've seen is some discomfort surrounding trans accommodations, and honestly, I find that understandable, if incorrect, considering how quickly trans issues sprang to the forefront of the culture wars.

Finally, even using your much broader definition of the term, I suspect you'd find less than a dozen actual conservatives among the regular posters here, which was the point I was making.

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Angela's ban isn't permanent fwiw)


You might let her know that, she seems to think it is.


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03 Dec 2016, 1:56 am

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I don't think conservatives are inherently racist fascists, but are motivated by their hatred and contempt of the poor.


Bill, one of these days you're going to have to realize that you have no idea what motivates conservatives, and most of the trouble you get yourself into on here comes directly from the delusion that you do.


If you had quoted my whole statement, you would have seen I said "those conservatives." That implies not all conservatives. I'm referring to the kind of people I argue with at church (upper middle class small businessmen), but who I still remain friendly with. In fact, one of them thanked me for the intellectual argument.


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03 Dec 2016, 2:17 am

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If you had quoted my whole statement, you would have seen I said "those conservatives." That implies not all conservatives. I'm referring to the kind of people I argue with at church (upper middle class small businessmen), but who I still remain friendly with. In fact, one of them thanked me for the intellectual argument.


Do they actually tell you that they hate the poor? Or did you "deduce" that all on your own?

Also, reread your own comment, you started out addressing a specific set of conservatives, but the comment I objected to was much more generalized.


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03 Dec 2016, 2:32 am

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If you had quoted my whole statement, you would have seen I said "those conservatives." That implies not all conservatives. I'm referring to the kind of people I argue with at church (upper middle class small businessmen), but who I still remain friendly with. In fact, one of them thanked me for the intellectual argument.


Do they actually tell you that they hate the poor? Or did you "deduce" that all on your own?

Also, reread your own comment, you started out addressing a specific set of conservatives, but the comment I objected to was much more generalized.


Until you know the conservatives I know, I don't think you an speak intelligibly about them. One of them in fact boasted how he had raised himself from poverty (he was from a farm in South Dakota) to a successful businessman, and he said that those who were poor were as such because of bad choices he had no responsibility for.
The fact that I specified which conservative I was speaking of at the very start is what's important.


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03 Dec 2016, 2:50 am

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In Australia, we have the Liberal party in power right now, and they're a right-wing group. So I always get a laugh when I see American right-wingers using "liberal" as an insult.


YOU'RE AUSTRALIAN??!?!?!

This changes my opinion of you so much, man.

Why didn't you ever tell us fellow Aussies?

I treat other Aussie users slightly better and am more friendly with them, completely out of nationalistic bias of course.

And yeah, our use of Liberal is accurate, the Americans isn't.

The reason being they associate 'Liberal' with 'freedom/liberty' and the associated policies with those words.


I've only been on this site for a year and it never seemed relevant where I'm from.



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03 Dec 2016, 9:30 am

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Why, Skippy? I was only explaining myself.

No, that you don't think I'M a nazi.

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03 Dec 2016, 9:55 am

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Until you know the conservatives I know, I don't think you an speak intelligibly about them.

WOW! Kraichgauer accusing Dox in any context of not speaking intelligibly?!?!? Just WOW!

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One of them in fact boasted how he had raised himself from poverty (he was from a farm in South Dakota) to a successful businessman, and he said that those who were poor were as such because of bad choices he had no responsibility for.
He might not have been right about all of them but I bet he was right about more than half of them.

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The fact that I specified which conservative I was speaking of at the very start is what's important.

You seem to lump all conservatives into one pile then try and backpedal into something like this when called out on it. By "those conservatives" you might as well just said all. Hardly matters any more since I'm past the point where I believe you can be successfully corrected. You can still be run up a tree with ease, just not permanently set straight.


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03 Dec 2016, 12:08 pm

Dox47 wrote:
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I don't think conservatives are inherently racist fascists, but are motivated by their hatred and contempt of the poor.


Bill, one of these days you're going to have to realize that you have no idea what motivates conservatives, and most of the trouble you get yourself into on here comes directly from the delusion that you do.

Maybe they aren't motivated by outright contempt, but it isn't really a stretch to say many lack empathy for people less fortunate than themselves.



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03 Dec 2016, 8:32 pm

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Until you know the conservatives I know, I don't think you an speak intelligibly about them.

WOW! Kraichgauer accusing Dox in any context of not speaking intelligibly?!?!? Just WOW!

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One of them in fact boasted how he had raised himself from poverty (he was from a farm in South Dakota) to a successful businessman, and he said that those who were poor were as such because of bad choices he had no responsibility for.
He might not have been right about all of them but I bet he was right about more than half of them.

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The fact that I specified which conservative I was speaking of at the very start is what's important.

You seem to lump all conservatives into one pile then try and backpedal into something like this when called out on it. By "those conservatives" you might as well just said all. Hardly matters any more since I'm past the point where I believe you can be successfully corrected. You can still be run up a tree with ease, just not permanently set straight.


Dox says he's not a conservative, so... HAH!! !!
And what you said about half the people in need not deserving help proves my point about "certain" conservatives.
Trying to explain myself is not backpedaling.
Now, why don't you try to squeeze back into that Nazi uniform your dad used to spank you for dressing up in as a kid (No, I didn't forget about the WWII photo from your previous post).


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03 Dec 2016, 8:34 pm

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I don't think conservatives are inherently racist fascists, but are motivated by their hatred and contempt of the poor.


Bill, one of these days you're going to have to realize that you have no idea what motivates conservatives, and most of the trouble you get yourself into on here comes directly from the delusion that you do.

Maybe they aren't motivated by outright contempt, but it isn't really a stretch to say many lack empathy for people less fortunate than themselves.


Thank you.


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03 Dec 2016, 9:33 pm

marshall wrote:
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I don't think conservatives are inherently racist fascists, but are motivated by their hatred and contempt of the poor.


Bill, one of these days you're going to have to realize that you have no idea what motivates conservatives, and most of the trouble you get yourself into on here comes directly from the delusion that you do.

Maybe they aren't motivated by outright contempt, but it isn't really a stretch to say many lack empathy for people less fortunate than themselves.


Ben Franklin sums up the conservative perspective ....

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03 Dec 2016, 9:52 pm

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marshall wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
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I don't think conservatives are inherently racist fascists, but are motivated by their hatred and contempt of the poor.


Bill, one of these days you're going to have to realize that you have no idea what motivates conservatives, and most of the trouble you get yourself into on here comes directly from the delusion that you do.

Maybe they aren't motivated by outright contempt, but it isn't really a stretch to say many lack empathy for people less fortunate than themselves.


Ben Franklin sums up the conservative perspective ....

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Franklin also thought Palatine Germans and Swedes should not be allowed to come to America, because they weren't white enough. Just because old Ben said it doesn't mean it's always of much use.


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