Climate change and Nationalism Surge

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They may be law abiding for now as a small minority but as their numbers increase so will their influence on our culture and laws. I cannot see how that can be anything but a negative thing.

It depends on our ability to integrate them ultimately. But Muslims are not a massive minority throughout the Western world. In France, their population is only 4%. Likewise in many places across the continent. Britain won't be taking anywhere near 200 million mind you the cost will be shared. So it is not as simple as you might think in that the UK will be swamped.

They cannot integrate whilst they cling to Islam. They are not a massive minority yet but are already causing so many problems. A majority of Europeans already want a complete ban on Muslim immigration.

We already feel swamped in Britain 13% of our population were born overseas that is higher than any other time in history including times we have been invaded. 1 in 3 new mums are foreign. Its estimated to have pushed property prices up by 20%, it lowers wages and creates social division.

Yes they can integrate whilst clinging to Islam and the reason I know that is because there is an enormous effort in the Islamic world to reform their faith and society. In Tunisia, marital rape was criminalized as of 2017, and in Iran, there have been massive protests breaking out just this year over the oppressive Islamic regime in place. We are seeing a process go on let's face it, where the Islamic world is progressing much more than we as a people like to imagine.

As for Britain immigration is necessary to substitute for its aging population. I could go into that but the topic we are on is refugees.

I'm very tired at this point. I might respond and refute your argument about Islam tomorrow. It's hard for me to see eye to eye with you sometimes simply because I see the Greater good as being not always what is in the nation's interests, whilst you believe that a nation and its sovereignty should be put first.

Why do you think that? Do you think that heat creates deserts? It doesn't.

During the warmest part of this interglacial warm period, the Holocene Climatic Optimum, temperatures were notably higher than today. The Sahara Desert was green. The Gobi Desert was forested. Northern Mexico was substantially wetter than it is today.

One other thing -- the warming is not equal around the world. Areas at the equator will see the least warming. In general, the further you are from the equator, the more the warming. The poles will likely see the most warming.

And another thing -- if heat causes deserts, then why isn't the equatorial regions, such as Ecuador and much of Brasil covered by deserts?

Please. I never said heat causes deserts. It's obviously more complicated than that. That doesn't change the fact that you're completely full of crap. There's been no trend towards wetter climate in sub-Saharan Africa. It's been the opposite, particularly in the eastern equatorial areas.

Also, the Holocene Climatic Optimum was not the same climate pattern as exists today, it was due to increased solar radiation during the northern hemisphere summer alone. Tropical and subtropical regions saw little warming. The current warming trend is different as it's more uniform.

Desertification, drought, and despair—that's what global warming has in store for much of Africa. Or so we hear.

Emerging evidence is painting a very different scenario, one in which rising temperatures could benefit millions of Africans in the driest parts of the continent.

Scientists are now seeing signals that the Sahara desert and surrounding regions are greening due to increasing rainfall.

If sustained, these rains could revitalize drought-ravaged regions, reclaiming them for farming communities.

This desert-shrinking trend is supported by climate models, which predict a return to conditions that turned the Sahara into a lush savanna some 12,000 years ago.

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Images taken between 1982 and 2002 revealed extensive regreening throughout the Sahel, according to a new study in the journal Biogeosciences.

The study suggests huge increases in vegetation in areas including central Chad and western Sudan.

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In 2008 Kröpelin—not involved in the new satellite research—visited Western Sahara, a disputed territory controlled by Morocco.

"The nomads there told me there was never as much rainfall as in the past few years," Kröpelin said. "They have never seen so much grazing land."

"Before, there was not a single scorpion, not a single blade of grass," he said.

"Now you have people grazing their camels in areas which may not have been used for hundreds or even thousands of years. You see birds, ostriches, gazelles coming back, even sorts of amphibians coming back," he said.

"The trend has continued for more than 20 years. It is indisputable."

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An explosion in plant growth has been predicted by some climate models.

For instance, in 2005 a team led by Reindert Haarsma of the Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute in De Bilt, the Netherlands, forecast significantly more future rainfall in the Sahel.

Seems the only option is to be a bernie democrat...meaning you're really a democratic socialist but you vote and/or run as a democrat, because that is the only damn way to actually make the change. Socialists infiltrating the democratic party is the key to vicotry

Again, I never said heat cases deserts, but you're obviously just parroting opinions bandied about by the right. It's also funny how the goal posts keep shifting. Before it was "climate change isn't happening", then it was "the climate is warming, but there's no reason to think humans are to blame", now it's "humans might be the cause, but so what. Warming is a good thing".

Bernie isn't running as a socialist. He's running as a social democrat, like FDR. He doesn't plan on abolishing capitalism. Maybe he expressed positive views of Marxism at one point in his life, but so did Obama.

He calls himself a socialist. He kept calling Scandinavia socialist and the Danish PM had to correct him.

Islam cannot be reformed Muslims believe the Quran is the final and perfect word of God. Those immigrants who come in will also grow up, the pension scheme is the greatest Ponzi scheme in history and will eventually collapse the bigger it gets the worse the collapse will be.

Why are there so many branches of Islam then? If the Quran is really final, how did the Sunni-Shia split happen?

... and then there's the fact that homosexuality was permitted in the Ottoman Empire ... and continues to be legal in Albania.

Would you be afraid if Britain was receiving Albanian Muslim immigrants?

I don't understand the panic over having a more productive environment.