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23 Oct 2023, 10:47 pm

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What is Patriot Front's ideology? Like, specifically?

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Dude, it's fascism. Their ideology is fascism. They literally have fascist symbols on their flyers and stuff. Like, you ever see a symbol that's like, a bundle of sticks tied around an axe? That's the symbol of fascism, it's called a Fasces. You're in some serious denial, man.



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24 Oct 2023, 12:55 am

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just so Dox47 doesn't complain about name-calling, here is the definition of Fascism per Wikipedia:

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.


I'm not sure what you think you're proving, as I don't support any of those things, so it really is just name calling, particularly as "fascist" has long ceased to have any real meaning and is simply used as a snarl word by morons.

"Fascism" is very clearly defined to everyone except for the fascists themselves, who resist the label for tactical reasons, namely that it's harder to criticize a nameless group. We've been over this many times. :wink:

Morons, eh? What's that you were saying about name-calling? My man, you're in freakin' Seattle. You have literal fascist orgs in your town (like Patriot Front etc.), I honestly don't know how you haven't noticed their propaganda everywhere.


I thought people moved to Seattle to get *away* from groups like that. We don't even have those groups here in Houston, or they're just not very active.


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24 Oct 2023, 12:59 am

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Dude, it's fascism. Their ideology is fascism. They literally have fascist symbols on their flyers and stuff. Like, you ever see a symbol that's like, a bundle of sticks tied around an axe? That's the symbol of fascism, it's called a Fasces. You're in some serious denial, man.


You should read more and post less, maybe start with my other comments in the thread.


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24 Oct 2023, 1:17 am

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Dude, it's fascism. Their ideology is fascism. They literally have fascist symbols on their flyers and stuff. Like, you ever see a symbol that's like, a bundle of sticks tied around an axe? That's the symbol of fascism, it's called a Fasces. You're in some serious denial, man.


You should read more and post less, maybe start with my other comments in the thread.

Bruh you asked me a question and I answered it, I don't know what else you were expecting me to say lol

Man, this board is nuts sometimes



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24 Oct 2023, 1:34 am

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I thought people moved to Seattle to get *away* from groups like that. We don't even have those groups here in Houston, or they're just not very active.

According to the ADL website, Patriot Front is based in Texas, not the Pacific Northwest. They do indeed use the fasces as a symbol. Here also is an article in The Hill about Patriot Front.

On the other hand, both the Proud Boys and a group called "Patriot Prayer" are active in the Pacific Northwest. Here is the Southern Poverty Law Center's page about Patriot Prayer, and here is a Reuters article about them.


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24 Oct 2023, 10:49 am

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Man, this board is nuts sometimes


Can't say I disagree with that. I often suspect a few paranoid symptoms in political debate.

Wouldn't it be great if all the posts here were respectful? Then we could have an open-minded conversation and learn from each other about the topic. But it's no good my kicking against the pricks.

Back on topic, I'm still making up my mind about this woke thing. Hard to distinguish the truth from the propaganda. I don't hear the term a lot in the UK. Maybe I'll try and get some of my redneck friends here in Arkansas to tell me what they think. I'll wager they see it as a dirty word, like they do socialism.



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24 Oct 2023, 11:04 am

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Can't say I disagree with that. I often suspect a few paranoid symptoms in political debate.

Wouldn't it be great if all the posts here were respectful? Then we could have an open-minded conversation and learn from each other about the topic. But it's no good my kicking against the pricks.

Back on topic, I'm still making up my mind about this woke thing. Hard to distinguish the truth from the propaganda. I don't hear the term a lot in the UK. Maybe I'll try and get some of my redneck friends here in Arkansas to tell me what they think. I'll wager they see it as a dirty word, like they do socialism.


ironic that Arkansas farmers (presumably) would be against socialism


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24 Oct 2023, 11:18 am

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Man, this board is nuts sometimes


Can't say I disagree with that. I often suspect a few paranoid symptoms in political debate.

Wouldn't it be great if all the posts here were respectful? Then we could have an open-minded conversation and learn from each other about the topic. But it's no good my kicking against the pricks.

Back on topic, I'm still making up my mind about this woke thing. Hard to distinguish the truth from the propaganda. I don't hear the term a lot in the UK. Maybe I'll try and get some of my redneck friends here in Arkansas to tell me what they think. I'll wager they see it as a dirty word, like they do socialism.

I’m from Arkansas.We hate all forms of government. :D


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24 Oct 2023, 11:30 am

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kicking against the pricks.


TIL "kicking against the pricks" is not just a Johnny Cash lyric.


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24 Oct 2023, 12:02 pm

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Man, this board is nuts sometimes


Can't say I disagree with that. I often suspect a few paranoid symptoms in political debate.

Wouldn't it be great if all the posts here were respectful? Then we could have an open-minded conversation and learn from each other about the topic. But it's no good my kicking against the pricks.

Back on topic, I'm still making up my mind about this woke thing. Hard to distinguish the truth from the propaganda. I don't hear the term a lot in the UK. Maybe I'll try and get some of my redneck friends here in Arkansas to tell me what they think. I'll wager they see it as a dirty word, like they do socialism.

I’m from Arkansas.We hate all forms of government. :D

Wow, it's a small world :-) So do I, but here in Sharp County a lot of them seem to love Trump, though maybe they see him as a necessary evil. I saw the election banners outside their houses, and one guy even had a Trump calendar. I don't discuss politics with them for fear of being lynched, but I thought I'd risk asking them what they think of woke.



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24 Oct 2023, 12:07 pm

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kicking against the pricks.


TIL "kicking against the pricks" is not just a Johnny Cash lyric.

TIL I didn't know it was also a Johnny Cash song.
I'm not going to say what the alternative meaning of "pricks" is in England. I've been in enough trouble already this week.



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24 Oct 2023, 12:12 pm

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Can't say I disagree with that. I often suspect a few paranoid symptoms in political debate.

Wouldn't it be great if all the posts here were respectful? Then we could have an open-minded conversation and learn from each other about the topic. But it's no good my kicking against the pricks.

Back on topic, I'm still making up my mind about this woke thing. Hard to distinguish the truth from the propaganda. I don't hear the term a lot in the UK. Maybe I'll try and get some of my redneck friends here in Arkansas to tell me what they think. I'll wager they see it as a dirty word, like they do socialism.


ironic that Arkansas farmers (presumably) would be against socialism

They do seem to be, as judged by what I've heard them say about it, and by the way the vote goes. Do you mean it's ironic that a left-sympathising chap such as myself would be living here?



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24 Oct 2023, 12:36 pm

ToughDiamond wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
ToughDiamond wrote:
MushroomPrincess wrote:
Man, this board is nuts sometimes


Can't say I disagree with that. I often suspect a few paranoid symptoms in political debate.

Wouldn't it be great if all the posts here were respectful? Then we could have an open-minded conversation and learn from each other about the topic. But it's no good my kicking against the pricks.

Back on topic, I'm still making up my mind about this woke thing. Hard to distinguish the truth from the propaganda. I don't hear the term a lot in the UK. Maybe I'll try and get some of my redneck friends here in Arkansas to tell me what they think. I'll wager they see it as a dirty word, like they do socialism.

I’m from Arkansas.We hate all forms of government. :D

Wow, it's a small world :-) So do I, but here in Sharp County a lot of them seem to love Trump, though maybe they see him as a necessary evil. I saw the election banners outside their houses, and one guy even had a Trump calendar. I don't discuss politics with them for fear of being lynched, but I thought I'd risk asking them what they think of woke.

I rode around with anti trump stickers here in the Ozarks.No problem.
My ex had family from Evening Shade so I’m familiar with the area .
Woke would be a strange word to discuss.I wouldn’t go at it directly and I wouldn’t be worried about lynching over it.
At this time I see no election banners for anyone.We hate them all, especially Sarah Sanders.Possible land grab in the Buffalo watershed so government is not our friend.


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24 Oct 2023, 12:41 pm

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kicking against the pricks.


TIL "kicking against the pricks" is not just a Johnny Cash lyric.

TIL I didn't know it was also a Johnny Cash song.
I'm not going to say what the alternative meaning of "pricks" is in England. I've been in enough trouble already this week.


It's a lyric from 'The Man Comes Around' , as a lot of religion is mentioned in that song I thought it was a religious thing but obviously my mind thought it was a reference to the alternative meaning you didn't mention :lol:


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24 Oct 2023, 12:51 pm

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Wait a minute, I had a brain fart, Patriot Front isn't our local group, that's Patriot Prayer (though IIRC they're more of a Vancouver and Idaho thing), the guys that like to drive to Portland to brawl with the black bloc bozos, Patriot Front is the one that everyone thinks is a federal psyop because no one on the actual right has ever heard of them or met one, the guys who are a little too fit and whose flags and outfits are a touch too professional. I always thought it was a little weird that whenever the cops arrest them, they leave their masks on.

Wait, are you implying that fascism in America is not a grassroots movement, but a federal operation?

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Like, even assuming that your tinfoil-on-head conspiracy rhetoric is even true, you're saying that the federal government are the ones shoving fascist propaganda in your face every time you step outside.... And you're cool with that. I'll let that one sink in.



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24 Oct 2023, 1:09 pm

ToughDiamond wrote:
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Can't say I disagree with that. I often suspect a few paranoid symptoms in political debate.

Wouldn't it be great if all the posts here were respectful? Then we could have an open-minded conversation and learn from each other about the topic. But it's no good my kicking against the pricks.

Back on topic, I'm still making up my mind about this woke thing. Hard to distinguish the truth from the propaganda. I don't hear the term a lot in the UK. Maybe I'll try and get some of my redneck friends here in Arkansas to tell me what they think. I'll wager they see it as a dirty word, like they do socialism.


ironic that Arkansas farmers (presumably) would be against socialism

They do seem to be, as judged by what I've heard them say about it, and by the way the vote goes. Do you mean it's ironic that a left-sympathising chap such as myself would be living here?


nah, I mean it's ironic that farmers, who benefit probably the most from being socialist, are against it. Think of how opposed farmers are to big corporations owning the land they grow stuff on. "Agrarian socialism pursues the collectivization of rural populations as opposed to agricultural policies that promote capitalistic farming." It would let farmers have more control over what they grow and who they give their crops to. It'd also bolster community.

And yet, your local farmers are against it? Many in the divided states of america don't actually know what socialism is, maybe that's why


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