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25 Aug 2007, 9:13 pm

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Truth is truth. That's the business we're in.

scientists are in the business of truth.


Any person who is able to keep a career has to kiss rear and accept lies as if they were reality, scientists included.



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25 Aug 2007, 9:14 pm

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Feelings are irrelevant.


Feelings are at the core of how humans perceive reality.


They can know nothing deeper? I guess you reject the human soul, then? Well shoot, no WONDER you don't believe...


The "Soul" is the sum of the electrical reactions between neurons in your brain.

Humans experience the world though the senses and emotions. They have a complex relationship with each other - they affect in each other in a myriad of ways.


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25 Aug 2007, 9:39 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Truth is truth. That's the business we're in.

scientists are in the business of truth.


Any person who is able to keep a career has to kiss rear and accept lies as if they were reality, scientists included.

o rly?
and I suppose christians are the exception?

Scientific research and studies have to be carefuly done and are tested and re-tested and re-tested to have the most accurate result, of course it won't always be 100% accurate, probably most of the time is not.

However... isn't because of science that we don't believe the earth is flat anymore? isn't because of science that you are in this forum about AS and autism, which is because of science that we know about them?


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25 Aug 2007, 9:41 pm

Flagg wrote:
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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Feelings are irrelevant.


Feelings are at the core of how humans perceive reality.


They can know nothing deeper? I guess you reject the human soul, then? Well shoot, no WONDER you don't believe...


The "Soul" is the sum of the electrical reactions between neurons in your brain.

Humans experience the world though the senses and emotions. They have a complex relationship with each other - they affect in each other in a myriad of ways.


So that's a 'no', then. I don't believe the soul is electrical. I believe it occupies higher dimensions. Scientists believe there are at least 10 -- some say 11 dimensions. In the higher dimensions, things are not able to be sensed in this dimension, even while they're actively affecting us. I think God occupies, or perhaps IS the highest dimension. Think about it. Thereby, He'd scientificly be 1) omniscient (in a physical position able to view all things), 2) omnipresent (truly everywhere, while unable to be sensed (at His will), and 3) omnipotent -- able to reach into all dimensions under Him and affect them, while they are scientificly unable to reach or affect Him.



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25 Aug 2007, 9:44 pm

Ragtime wrote:
Flagg wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Flagg wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Feelings are irrelevant.


Feelings are at the core of how humans perceive reality.


They can know nothing deeper? I guess you reject the human soul, then? Well shoot, no WONDER you don't believe...


The "Soul" is the sum of the electrical reactions between neurons in your brain.

Humans experience the world though the senses and emotions. They have a complex relationship with each other - they affect in each other in a myriad of ways.


So that's a 'no', then. I don't believe the soul is electrical. I believe it occupies higher dimensions. Scientists believe there are at least 10 -- some say 11 dimensions. In the higher dimensions, things are not able to be sensed in this dimension, even while they're actively affecting us. I think God occupies, or perhaps IS the highest dimension. Think about it. Thereby, He'd scientificly be 1) omniscient (in a physical position able to view all things), 2) omnipresent (truly everywhere, while unable to be sensed (at His will), and 3) omnipotent -- able to reach into all dimensions under Him and affect them, while they are scientificly unable to reach or affect Him.


M hypothesis?

It's just that.

A hypothesis.


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25 Aug 2007, 9:44 pm

greenblue wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Truth is truth. That's the business we're in.

scientists are in the business of truth.


Any person who is able to keep a career has to kiss rear and accept lies as if they were reality, scientists included.

o rly?
and I suppose christians are the exception?

Scientific research and studies have to be carefuly done and are tested and re-tested and re-tested to have the most accurate result, of course it won't always be 100% accurate, probably most of the time is not.

However... isn't because of science that we don't believe the earth is flat anymore? isn't because of science that you are in this forum about AS and autism, which is because of science that we know about them?


I love science! I don't like politicly correct "conclusions", though.



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25 Aug 2007, 9:51 pm

Flagg wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Feelings are irrelevant.


Feelings are at the core of how humans perceive reality.


They can know nothing deeper? I guess you reject the human soul, then? Well shoot, no WONDER you don't believe...


The "Soul" is the sum of the electrical reactions between neurons in your brain.

Humans experience the world though the senses and emotions. They have a complex relationship with each other - they affect in each other in a myriad of ways.

The human soul is a human concept, is part of the capability of reasoning and self-awareness the human brain has, humans always had questioned where they came from and all that stuff, because it is the only species on earth that has that capability, to wonder about their existence, but also includes emotion, the "soul" or "spiritual" thing described in religions is a psychological emotional thing, if we would be completely emotionless, without feelings at all, there won't be any need to attend church and sing and pray, wouldn't be a reason to it, because we would not FEEL the need for it.


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25 Aug 2007, 10:21 pm

Ragtime wrote:
greenblue wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Truth is truth. That's the business we're in.

scientists are in the business of truth.


Any person who is able to keep a career has to kiss rear and accept lies as if they were reality, scientists included.

o rly?
and I suppose christians are the exception?

Scientific research and studies have to be carefuly done and are tested and re-tested and re-tested to have the most accurate result, of course it won't always be 100% accurate, probably most of the time is not.

However... isn't because of science that we don't believe the earth is flat anymore? isn't because of science that you are in this forum about AS and autism, which is because of science that we know about them?


I love science! I don't like politicly correct "conclusions", though.

No, politically correct conclusions are good, in that case, christians or/and religious people are not the exception, you agree with that don't you? also it seemed like he was discrediting all science as his argument, which doesn't sound too good, I know not all things from science are perfect, there are always mistakes, but most of them are a lot more accurate than superstitions and social prejudice, don't you agree with that? A lot of good things and changes in the world have been because of discoveries, inventions and studies.

And if you actually discredit science, I wonder how you got here on this forum and your thoughts about autism and aspergers.


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26 Aug 2007, 11:48 am

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Oh so if we set up a thread attacking God you would respect us for doing it and not intervene.


I happens in the whole rest of Wrong Planet, you might not have personally, but it happens. What irritates you people so much about one group of people wanting one thread to themselves. Forget that I'm not a MOD, you people are showing a complete lack of RESPECT for me and my people.

Yeah, like the Bible and the Koran dont imply that all us Atheists are going to hell... How uninsulting. You seem to think insulting and lack of respect is acceptable within a religion.

Truth is truth. That's the business we're in.

And lies are also lies... Misconceptions are misconceptions... and so on...



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26 Aug 2007, 2:42 pm

Hadron wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Hadron wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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Oh so if we set up a thread attacking God you would respect us for doing it and not intervene.


I happens in the whole rest of Wrong Planet, you might not have personally, but it happens. What irritates you people so much about one group of people wanting one thread to themselves. Forget that I'm not a MOD, you people are showing a complete lack of RESPECT for me and my people.

Yeah, like the Bible and the Koran dont imply that all us Atheists are going to hell... How uninsulting. You seem to think insulting and lack of respect is acceptable within a religion.

Truth is truth. That's the business we're in.

And lies are also lies... Misconceptions are misconceptions... and so on...

Not actually truth, but not neccesarily lies either, mostly different beliefs, because I see that people are being honest here in their beliefs even if that means they are unjust sometimes, with some of their beliefs, which we get the misconceptions when it comes to affect other people negatively because of it.


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26 Aug 2007, 4:42 pm

greenblue wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Hadron wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Oh so if we set up a thread attacking God you would respect us for doing it and not intervene.


I happens in the whole rest of Wrong Planet, you might not have personally, but it happens. What irritates you people so much about one group of people wanting one thread to themselves. Forget that I'm not a MOD, you people are showing a complete lack of RESPECT for me and my people.

Yeah, like the Bible and the Koran dont imply that all us Atheists are going to hell... How uninsulting. You seem to think insulting and lack of respect is acceptable within a religion.

Truth is truth. That's the business we're in.

And lies are also lies... Misconceptions are misconceptions... and so on...

Not actually truth, but not neccesarily lies either, mostly different beliefs, because I see that people are being honest here in their beliefs even if that means they are unjust sometimes, with some of their beliefs, which we get the misconceptions when it comes to affect other people negatively because of it.

Truth is in essence just a perspective. What angle the perspective is taken from depends on where the person is standing.



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26 Aug 2007, 4:57 pm

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Truth is in essence just a perspective. What angle the perspective is taken from depends on where the person is standing.

It's true, lol


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26 Aug 2007, 5:23 pm

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Truth is in essence just a perspective. What angle the perspective is taken from depends on where the person is standing.

It's true, lol

Could be, could be not...



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26 Aug 2007, 9:07 pm

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Closed to all but the above three types of people please, open to all topics of discussion between people who accept God and His Son, just God, or are open to the possibility of God's existence. All others are not welcome here, besides you pretty much have the rest of the forum anyway, so don't bother us here; NO TROUBLEMAKERS! No foul language either or anything else that would be OFFENSIVE to people who believe in GOD.


With that groundwork laid, what should be the first topic of discussion?


Why confine it to those three in particular, out of curiosity? I am a Christian myself, but I am not clear why you think it expedient to discourage representatives of other positions from posting in this thread. From some of your remarks it might appear that you are assuming that the two named non-Christians (all three categories are quite diverse) are the only ones open to the possibility of certain things being true; this rather flies in the face of the evidence of history.

Besides, while you might wish to create a haven from certain attacks or criticism or however you may wish to characterise it, naming the thread in such a way as to alienate a certain proportion of Christians, Jews AND agnostics does not appear to me a prudent approach - also, you cannot really prevent those on Wrong Planet who would not fit the named categories from overtly or covertly disregarding your arbitrary limits; the title would probably arouse more curiosity, if not initially so much outrage, as one which only named one of the three groups would, though that last remark is speculative on my part.

How about a discussion about prophets and prophecy? I hope the tone of this post is not too critical or polemical.


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26 Aug 2007, 9:15 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Closed to all but the above three types of people please, open to all topics of discussion between people who accept God and His Son, just God, or are open to the possibility of God's existence. All others are not welcome here, besides you pretty much have the rest of the forum anyway, so don't bother us here; NO TROUBLEMAKERS! No foul language either or anything else that would be OFFENSIVE to people who believe in GOD.


With that groundwork laid, what should be the first topic of discussion?


Why confine it to those three in particular, out of curiosity? I am a Christian myself, but I am not clear why you think it expedient to discourage representatives of other positions from posting in this thread. From some of your remarks it might appear that you are assuming that the two named non-Christians (all three categories are quite diverse) are the only ones open to the possibility of certain things being true; this rather flies in the face of the evidence of history.

Besides, while you might wish to create a haven from certain attacks or criticism or however you may wish to characterise it, naming the thread in such a way as to alienate a certain proportion of Christians, Jews AND agnostics does not appear to me a prudent approach - also, you cannot really prevent those on Wrong Planet who would not fit the named categories from overtly or covertly disregarding your arbitrary limits; the title would probably arouse more curiosity, if not initially so much outrage, as one which only named one of the three groups would, though that last remark is speculative on my part.

How about a discussion about prophets and prophecy? I hope the tone of this post is not too critical or polemical.


Hey you dirty SoB, long time no see!

We missed ya'!

This whole thing started with a flame war around here a few days ago.

I'll explain it to you over PM if you like.



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27 Aug 2007, 5:47 am

Flagg wrote:
AlexandertheSolitary wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Closed to all but the above three types of people please, open to all topics of discussion between people who accept God and His Son, just God, or are open to the possibility of God's existence. All others are not welcome here, besides you pretty much have the rest of the forum anyway, so don't bother us here; NO TROUBLEMAKERS! No foul language either or anything else that would be OFFENSIVE to people who believe in GOD.


With that groundwork laid, what should be the first topic of discussion?


Why confine it to those three in particular, out of curiosity? I am a Christian myself, but I am not clear why you think it expedient to discourage representatives of other positions from posting in this thread. From some of your remarks it might appear that you are assuming that the two named non-Christians (all three categories are quite diverse) are the only ones open to the possibility of certain things being true; this rather flies in the face of the evidence of history.

Besides, while you might wish to create a haven from certain attacks or criticism or however you may wish to characterise it, naming the thread in such a way as to alienate a certain proportion of Christians, Jews AND agnostics does not appear to me a prudent approach - also, you cannot really prevent those on Wrong Planet who would not fit the named categories from overtly or covertly disregarding your arbitrary limits; the title would probably arouse more curiosity, if not initially so much outrage, as one which only named one of the three groups would, though that last remark is speculative on my part.

How about a discussion about prophets and prophecy? I hope the tone of this post is not too critical or polemical.


Hey you dirty SoB, long time no see!

We missed ya'!

This whole thing started with a flame war around here a few days ago.

I'll explain it to you over PM if you like.

No it started with a few Christians losing several debates and throwing many wobblers.