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29 Aug 2008, 8:51 am

It's not about hatred. Atheism is about good sense. It disturbs me when potentially intelligent people proclaim obvious nonsense just as it disturbs me when kids can't read or ride a bicycle or swim. I try to help them gain their potentials. Of course people become disturbed when they are shown how inconsistent and silly some of their beliefs are. No doubt it's embarrassing. But it's the only way to see things as they really are.

This business of God and Satan is especially idiotic. What kind of an all powerful God tolerates a mischief maker who creates misery? Is he playing some sort of nasty game with people as a football?

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29 Aug 2008, 9:57 am

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It's not about hatred. Atheism is about good sense.

Lets split our definitions. There is rebel without a clue atheism, which is merely a reactionary form of anti christianity,
and then there is real atheism, which is a neutral stance regarding spirituality and a negative stance regarding religions.

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It disturbs me when potentially intelligent people proclaim obvious nonsense just as it disturbs me when kids can't read or ride a bicycle or swim.

The degree to which you are disturbed is the degree to which you harbor some id issue.
Real atheism is taciturn.

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I try to help them gain their potentials. Of course people become disturbed when they are shown how inconsistent and silly some of their beliefs are.

Including dogmatic or rebel atheists.

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No doubt it's embarrassing. But it's the only way to see things as they really are.

this is rather ironic.

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This business of God and Satan is especially idiotic.

True, but now you just demonstrated the very kind of thinking which you claim you are above.

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What kind of an all powerful God tolerates a mischief maker who creates misery? Is he playing some sort of nasty game with people as a football?

no kind of god, which seems a moot point, considering the conversation above.

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29 Aug 2008, 10:04 am

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I don't get this trash about

clearly you will not ever get something which you first invalidate before considering.

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athiests are satanists because they turn their backs on god

thats not my argument; whos argument are you adressing? Rebel Atheists are satanists because they are AGAINST
something rather than FOR what they claim.
Being AGAINST christianity plays perfectly into christianities mythology. Missing this is comedy.

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- like Satan did. Atheists deny existence of any mythical deity;

And yet still manage to worship god in reverse by giving him all of that attention.

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These threads are really pointless, though - the religious would ask for evidence of non-existence. My philosophy; if there is neither evidence for or against, it doesn't exist. Why? The very notion of evidence is some proof of presence, and the only conceivable evidence of non existence is impossibility of existence.

does that seem like reasoning to you? because to me it looks more like a hamster wheel.

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Which it is; for this universe. What would be the mathematical expression of god?

maybe you have heard of the mathematical concept of infinity?
Or, node to node systems?

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For other uses, see Infinity (disambiguation).
The infinity symbol, ∞, in several typefaces.
The infinity symbol, ∞, in several typefaces.

Infinity (symbolically represented with ∞) comes from the Latin infinitas or "unboundedness." It refers to several distinct concepts (usually linked to the idea of "without end") which arise in philosophy, mathematics, and theology.

In mathematics, "infinity" is often used in contexts where it is treated as if it were a number (i.e., it counts or measures things: "an infinite number of terms") but it is a different type of "number" from the real numbers. Infinity is related to limits, aleph numbers, classes in set theory, Dedekind-infinite sets, large cardinals,[1] Russell's paradox, non-standard arithmetic, hyperreal numbers, projective geometry, extended real numbers and the absolute Infinite.

wikipedia

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29 Aug 2008, 10:30 am

Prometheuspann, how is your vitriolic died with so-called rebel athiests any different to their disputes with the religious - not only Christians, so why do you limit your assumptions to that?
And how do you know, by my reference of satanic concepts as trash, that I dismissed religion before regarding it? How do you know I did not first regard it, and then reach that conclusion.

Being a fence-sitter, or believing you are "neutral" is an inconsistancy; for if you truly were neutral, why begrudge "rebel athiests" their views?

By the by; god can only be expressed as infinity if person doing said expression has one or another view on that or any god.

There is more than christianity to consider in atheism. Have fun with that.

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prometheuspann wrote:

you can call that atheism, and it certainly bears a striking similarity to atheism, but atheism is almost by definition
a modern movement. Further, while he proposed that nothing should believed in which could not be directly observed or logically deduced, this did not disclude altered states of consciousness, which the greeks had much better access to than we do now.

Its an interesting idea, but modern atheism is its own social movement based on rebellion against christianity, and thats all it is. It can't trace a lineage back any further then 13th century Europe, if that far.

The vehemence, negativity, emotionalism, and irrationalism of the atheists on this forum proves the point in spades.
Emotionalized disbelief is not the same as rational neutrality.

Disbelief in fact is logically equal to belief; its just belief in the reverse of the original belief.

The fundie christian who started this thread because he was excited to run off with the inspirations i gave him isn't capable of making the argument to support the contention, or of framing it in contexts which make it sane, rather than just a petty simple minded dualistic invalidation.

Maybe he will realize he could have stuck with it a little longer and derived something better than a flashpan
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Nothing could be further from the Truth.
Atheism has been around since ancient times. There were atheists in classical greece who refused to believe in the existance of the greek gods and goddesses. As long as their has been the belief in supernatural beings with the power to control nature there have been those who didnt buy into it. To the OP: Is Buddhism Satanism as well??? As long as there are going to be moronic, hair-brained christian fundamentalists peddling their Bullsh1t here there will be atheists like me who speak out as well.

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Well, to a Christian, it is completely understandable to think that. However, to somebody other than that person, it is completely incorrect.

The issue is merely one of categorization of worldly phenomena, and so if we have a Christian working within a Christian framework, then the categorization of atheism as satanism does not seem particularly invalid, as in order to not believe in God you would have to turn your back on him and reject him as Satan did(God's existence being considered an obvious thing based upon Romans 1:20), thus, following Satan's path. This, of course, is not to be accepted by most people, but then again, would a thorough Biblical morality necessarily be accepted by most people as a valid interpretation of right and wrong? No. It is somewhat logically coherent though.

NOT.TRUE. :!:

Satanists believe in God, however they do not follow God because they reject him and embrace his rival Satan.
Atheists do not believe Neither God NOT Satan are anything other than imaginary beings.

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29 Aug 2008, 10:35 am

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29 Aug 2008, 10:39 am

I am not inconsistent in pointing out one of the obvious idiocies of Christianity in order to demonstrate that believers are in desperate need of sane help. To be militantly interested in providing a good education is not something to be decried. Some things require intensity of purpose.

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29 Aug 2008, 10:45 am

Forget it.

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29 Aug 2008, 11:11 am

I feel that Atheism being equated to Satanism is an extreme inaccuracy. Atheism is the complete absence of religion, while Satanism has a very defined belief structure. While many modern Atheists focus their efforts on Christianity it's simply because Christianity is the biggest target. Atheists could just as easily go after Scientology but I don't think anyone would disagree with that (other than Scientologists of course).

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29 Aug 2008, 11:20 am

Satanism is almost "uber atheism" in a way. It is a religion that believes in taking part in the carnal as opposed to the spiritual.

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29 Aug 2008, 11:20 am

Some religious fanatics seem to believe that any opposition to Christianity obviously supports the devil. It stems from the mindset that there are only two sides to the question when there are clearly at least three and probably more. It is the same psychology that the Bush administration uses in that either you support his totalitarian approach to fighting terrorism or you are a terrorist.

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29 Aug 2008, 11:23 am

history_of_psychiatry wrote:

Satanism is almost "uber atheism" in a way. It is a religion that believes in taking part in the carnal as opposed to the spiritual.

That is what I was trying so hard to express. I should have said just you said and saved myself opening a nasty can of worms.

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29 Aug 2008, 11:25 am

history_of_psychiatry wrote:

Satanism is almost "uber atheism" in a way. It is a religion that believes in taking part in the carnal as opposed to the spiritual.

What carnal behaviours would "uber athiests" engage in, hm?
How do you define spirituality? Crusades? Slaughter?
I'm of Irish and Spanish descent; well aware of both sides of those.
How do you compare athiesm and satanism - two wildly opposing views?

Basically, what in hell are you on about, buckwheat?

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29 Aug 2008, 11:29 am

Isn't anything that isn't Judeo-Christian a form of Satanism to fundy Christians? Don't they denounce Hinduism and Buddhism (which evolved in India long before Christianity) as demon worship?

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29 Aug 2008, 11:32 am

Obviously, crusades and slaughter do not make up religion as a whole. :roll: :roll: If you ever get the hang of social interaction, Ishmael, I promise your world will explode. All the book-smarts in the world will not help you become a man. You do NOT impress me.

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monty wrote:

Isn't anything that isn't Judeo-Christian a form of Satanism to fundy Christians? Don't they denounce Hinduism and Buddhism (which evolved in India long before Christianity) as demon worship?

That would depend on where on the politcal spectrum you are as a Christian.

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