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Depending on which ahh... personalities, get booted (if any do), it probably would. I think that they should start a new forum and just call it Duck and Cover, or Flamers United, or There Be Dragons Here, or something... (I'll think of something. ) Just so people have the release valve and Claire 333 is still entertained.

Oh, no you don't. I prefer to keep my potty mouth police duties limited to my home.
I have a feeling that is not going to happen, but if it did; I would probably follow the members who move to such a forum, simply because I find the members here to have interesting thoughts...and yes they are entertaining.

I do not even know that I view the attacks in this forum to be a horrible 'problem'. Maybe if I were one of the ones being attacked I would see it differently. I do not know. The funny thing is, most of the things I have seen which I would view as personal attacks are surrounded by valid, sensible points which would seem to have more merit without the spite. I personally view foul and abusive words to be empty and lacking in honor. It does not really matter where they are written, spoken, or their context.

well, I don't think so, never have had experience in an authority position and I think I would lack the determinism and conviction that I may need to do the job (although its possible some mods may be like that) besides, I have come across with 'criticism' towards the moderation here (questioning their judgements) so likely that would make me less of a candidate, which I suppose would be against the requirements established.

I voted "more" because we could do with at least some encouragement to more civility, but I'm certainly not in favor of any type of crackdown.

BTW, how could PPR be "less moderated?" It's basically anarchy in here.

Hey. I just noticed there is a poll attached to this thread. Is this new? I can be really unobservant sometimes. I do not even know how to vote. Part of me wants to vote yes for reasons already stated, however I cannot think of one single potty mouth member I would like to see banned. Another part of me wants to vote no, because of the fact I am the only one who has expressed any gripe. This is not to simply go with the popular opinion, but makes me wonder if I am just being a prude (psst...I know I am one.) or too focused on the rules.

Before I vote I would like to know...
What prompted the sudden need for more strict moderation and the creation of this thread?
Are members who post in the forum complaining about being attacked?
Are members from outside the fourm complaing? If so, would they join the converstion if it were cleaner?

I also think it is very interesting that although most of those who have replied disagree with the idea of more moderation, the converstation seems to have evolved into electing one of the group to be strictly a PPR moderator. I agree there are quite a few long standing members here who would do a good job.

Is this something that would even be considered? Is everyone just wasting their time talking about it?

Why have more people not voted?

Yes, the poll is new.

QM has disliked PPR for a long time, and MrMark has also had unpleasant experiences from a conflict here a few months back where he was dragged into a position where he would upset someone regardless of what he did. I don't think anything has changed recently so much as QM's patience has finally run out.
I don't think there have been any more complaints about PPR than usual, either within it or from outside. I have heard some peole say that PPR is too intense for them to be interested, though.


The issue is largely one of an outsider (to this subforum) who clearly harbors feelings of animosity towards PPR and possibly holds grudges against some of the more colorful personalities here. The feeling is that a PPR "native" who understands the dynamics and traditions of PPR would do a better job of moderating without seeming like an external tyrant, and would probably also be less heavy-handed due to a better understanding of what level of flaming is normal and what level of flaming is actually out of line (by PPR standards).

The standards should be the same across all areas of WP. As for grudges, there are, AFAIK, none here whom I actually have a grudge against. A dislike, yes, but not a grudge. Rather, I have a grudge (if that even is the right word) with this mindset the members here seem to have, that it is their god-given right to flame each other to crisps.

My patience itself hasn't run out. I've just realised that I cannot be doing my job as a moderator properly if I am allowing this forum to be in this state for so long. The key word here is moderation.

Oh, and I am surprised no-one voted for 'BURN....WITH...ME!! !!'

I strongly considered it.

I am not even sure what it means...

Here's a vote for anarchy. It's been pretty good lately, and most people with serious troll potential are beaten off with a hail of intellectual lead and order is restored.

And it seems like a lot of people who whine about how hostile we are here are just bad at debate and feel wounded when someone exposes their shoddy reasoning.

Some people however do actively circumvent the rules and should probably be slapped around a bit, but I see no great need for a real cleaning out.

The answer is here (SFW)

Why? Heated debates will tend to have more questionable elements to them than what we would find from people just posting jokes, and so, I think greater tolerance and flexible standards would be most applicable to PPR if we were seeking to find the optimal level of moderation.

Why not? If a lot of people enjoy the forum, if the forum mostly stays on topic, and if everything works itself out alright, then, isn't the job of moderator being done properly? I mean, "this state" is a state that many people find acceptable, and are used to.

Well, the reason the conversation evolved into this is likely because of a distrust of outside moderators. If PPR will be moderated, then at least we need to have a PPR person rather than some fool who will just wreck everything and drive away all of the fun members.


I dunno if it would be considered, but I do not see good things happening if a non-PPR person exercises mod power here. I really just see it killing some of the spirit of this forum.

I also wonder why standards must be the same across WP.

If homogeneous regulation doesn't serve the community, why have homogeneous regulation?

It strikes me that permitting a flame section--which no one would have to go to, ever, if they didn't want to--and then being strict about personal attacks everywhere else--would serve the community better than this.


When I first came to WP I was informed (http://www.wrongplanet.net/postxf39452-0-45.html, a bit down the page) that the standard of enforcement had everything to do with what people complained about. If the de-facto standard of enforcement has been low and people are not complaining more, a random increase based on a moderator's whim is a violation of that.


At the very least it seems germane to give examples for clarification, of what will and will not be acceptable after December.