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15 Dec 2008, 5:10 pm

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why do people go god?


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Which is why I prefer Linux. Similarily, I follow the Qur'an alone, instead of the barbarism of Sunnism/Shi'ism. Reminds me of a Robert Frost's poem "The road not taken" - I took the road less traveled by, and that has made all the difference

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playing number games and calling it god is on the same level as misquoting politicians and calling it prisonplanet.com


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15 Dec 2008, 5:12 pm

How do you determine probable/improbable timelines w/o some kind of 4th dimensional clairvoyant powers?



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15 Dec 2008, 5:27 pm

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Eh?


your not as insane as I said on the forum lol



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15 Dec 2008, 5:41 pm

I bekive because of science, math, and cake


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15 Dec 2008, 6:20 pm

Why do I believe in God? How else are we so "conveniently" able to survive on this planet? How is it that this planet is neatly placed the exact distance from the sun to maintain life without being too hot or cold for life? How else is evolution possible? I question religion all the time but I have no doubt in my mind that God exists. You may ask why I believe he exists, I ask why not. It's not like makes me stupid or anything, I have nothing at all to lose. Sure there isn't any physical proof that He exists but that doesn't prove anything either way. None of you can prove I am who I say I am but that doesn't mean I am or I'm not.


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15 Dec 2008, 6:29 pm

slowmutant wrote:
How do you determine probable/improbable timelines w/o some kind of 4th dimensional clairvoyant powers?

just a theory that certain events are more critical in determining which alternate universe plays out in our reality

has less to do with clairvoyance than with analyzing consequences



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15 Dec 2008, 6:38 pm

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Why do I believe in God? How else are we so "conveniently" able to survive on this planet?



because if we couldn't, we wouldn't. you're taking a sum as the equation. this is the product of many events and equations that happened to finally work out.


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15 Dec 2008, 6:43 pm

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Sure there isn't any physical proof that He exists but that doesn't prove anything either way.


because your mind is made up and is determined regardless of facts that may come up. very common...goes back to the article i posted that shows about people's attitudes toward religion vs science.


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15 Dec 2008, 6:46 pm

skafather84 wrote:
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Sure there isn't any physical proof that He exists but that doesn't prove anything either way.


because your mind is made up and is determined regardless of facts that may come up. very common...goes back to the article i posted that shows about people's attitudes toward religion vs science.


i cant do religion vs science, neither appose each other in my views


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15 Dec 2008, 6:48 pm

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I really hope some of you are not about to sit any exams, because you seem to have little ability comprehension.
Ah, my apologies. I sometimes fail to take the religious threads too seriously, because I have been watching them for a few months now and have had very few occasions where I thought people were being truly honest about their personal religious beliefs. This would include me. I appreciate the fact you are serious about your question. So, I will give my take on it.

The only person in this thread who I feel has tried to give you an honest answer to your question is ouinon, when they stated the belief in God satisfies a need; though that need was not directly identified. I am sure there are many needs that belief in God can satisfy, but I think the most fundamental need is the need for absolution. There are certain sins a person can commit that are impossible to be forgiven by anyone or anything here in this world. There are certain sins a person can commit that are impossible for a person to forgive themselves. There are certain sins a person can commit that are impossible for a person to fully regret. These are the types of sins that can destroy a person, turn them into nothing. These are the types of sin which a person can only find forgiveness in God.

There are people who would pick apart the Bible, reveal it flaws and toss the whole thing for being flawed. However, there is a great bit of truth about mankind in the Bible. I think the most fundamental truth is, man is inherently sinful. Some more than others, but all sinners none the less. People need to believe in God because people have a basic need for absolution.



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15 Dec 2008, 6:57 pm

Eggman wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Social_Fantom wrote:
Sure there isn't any physical proof that He exists but that doesn't prove anything either way.


because your mind is made up and is determined regardless of facts that may come up. very common...goes back to the article i posted that shows about people's attitudes toward religion vs science.


i cant do religion vs science, neither appose each other in my views


evolution vs creationism

stem cell research

cloning

faith healing

"miracles"



there's a lot of areas where religion and science overlap and directly oppose each other. science is rooted in reality and facts and religion is steeped in fiction and myth and the allure of the magician.


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15 Dec 2008, 7:02 pm

Evolution is a key belief in my religous beliefs so they do not ao[ppose, as I have often stated.


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15 Dec 2008, 7:10 pm

Just an interesting aside to the cosmological argument and the problem of "first cause" though is that some people theorize that the big bang was the first and last event in the history of well.. anything that violated causality. An effect happened with no cause resulting in an explosion big enough to create a universe.

According to this universes laws of physics that's impossible of course but those laws only apply to the universe created from a void where those laws don't necessarily apply.

We only know that causality is invariable within our universe we have no idea what physical laws apply outside it (if there is an outside).


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15 Dec 2008, 7:11 pm

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Evolution is a key belief in my religous beliefs so they do not ao[ppose, as I have often stated.



okay, so what about the other things?


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15 Dec 2008, 7:12 pm

No issues with astem cells, there are many ways to collecty them.


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15 Dec 2008, 7:16 pm

okay...i listed more than two things. science actually looks to explain. religion puts up a placeholder in that knowledge slot...i fail to see how the two aren't in opposition eventually down the line...because there will be a point where science does something religion just doesn't match up to and religion has to prove that its god is still greater than the scientists (power issues).


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