Legato wrote:
My comments in bold
IdahoAspie wrote:
I think we should start a civil war in China and then join one side of the war. The reasons are numerous. Get ready for a spin down crazy lane.
1) It would bring back the economy, spending money on a war brought us out of a depression, it would do the same now. War stimulates the defense sector of the economy. If that section of the economy hasn't been stimulated in the last six years, a third war will not. Further, I don't see your ass volunteering to go fight and die for something as stupid as this. Lastly, China holds such a large portion of our debt and economy that they could bankrupt us overnight if it was their wish; a simple trade embargo would probably do the trick.
2) We need to eliminate the communist dictatorship that exists in China. It has major gross human rights violations. By eliminating the Chinese government we eliminate the only existing super power that seriously violates human rights. Call me crazy, but this is not our problem. If people cannot fight for freedom on their own, then they definitely will not appreciate it if we hand it to them on a silver platter. This is currently being seen in Iraq and their government.
3) We could reduce the national debt and the trade deficit. We would not need to pay China what we owe them. And we would not be purchasing goods them. Instead we would be manufacturing them in the United States. War increases national debt, do your economics homework buddy. Also, assuming we're successful in a twenty-year-long campaign in China (war is never swift, especially not when we dabble in nation-building), there is zero reason to think that we would trade less with them.
4) China is destroying the environment. The amount of population is incrediablty destructive to the planet, and people living there, and soon the oceans and the even the world's ecosystem. So killing millions of people and sending millions more of our own to die to "save the planet" is what we have come to, eh?
5) If helped Chinese people over throw their government, we would become allies, and help the Chinese people live in and experience a Democracy like the rest of the world's superpowers. See number 2.
What do you think? Should we allow China to continue as it is? Or is now the time to overturn their government, before it is to late?
News flash,
China has nuclear weapons. If they are anything like the superpower we are familiar with (us), if the fate of their government is in peril, they WILL use them in defense. To reiterate, I don't see you volunteering to fight and die in China for something as stupid as this - and I definitely don't see you volunteering to subject your family to the result of localized nuclear fallout.
As much as I think that war with Iran is another ridiculously stupid idea, it's more likely than you might think, sadly. The United States will not survive four simultaneous wars without conscription and committing more human rights violations at home and abroad than your short-sighted mind can fathom.
War is not pretty, war is not glamorous. If you think it is, then go sign up for the marines and fight a disorganized band of terrorists (the war we are on the verge of losing) instead of a trained and disciplined army in a country with five times the bodies we have in the United States. It's a damned good thing that we haven't seen multiple modern countries in all-out war since WW2, yet this thread makes me think that the youth in this country are so disconnected from the reality of REAL war because of the current global military arena and video games like Civilization. And this young generation (my dumbass generation) will rule the world in thirty\forty years.
To quote the great Robert E. Lee (one of the greatest American generals that ever lived, regardless of his political affiliation): "It is well that war is so terrible, lest we should grow too fond of it."
(Qualification: If I am incorrect in assuming that you are rather young, then I simply have even less respect for your intellect)
Question my intelligence all you want. But, I am secure in my IQ and educational level (which are higher than yours). You are unable to understand what I am saying, and you are not reading what I am saying. You are full of false assumptions about politicial, social, and economic tactics, as well as modern defense capabilities.
1) It is entirely possible to have a war without using nuclear weapons or slaughtering millions of innocent people. You can even win a war with relatively little violence if you are tacful enough. Look at the Cold War with the USSR. A perfect example.
2) There would be no tactical advantage for any country to use Nuclear weapons and kill innocent people unless that country wished no longer to exist and have world opinion against it for killing innocent people. Please, name one situation where it would be acceptable for nuking millions of innocent people uninvolved in the military situation?
3) You are obviously unaware that the US has the ability to stop most if not all nuclear missiles from China through an array of anti-missile missiles and through sound, and e-bombs that fry the electrical equipment including that of guidance systems of long range missiles for hundreds of miles. Technology has changed since 1991, which seems to be the general knowledge of US capabilities in defensive weaponry.
4) You don't understand how deficits and debt on the national and international level works.
21 Feb 2009, 8:15 pm
