Do we still want muslims in our western nations?

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It sounds like they managed to prove free speech is dead though.

screw free speech. seriously. free speech should be, by law, restricted to non-ignorant statements.

many european countries DO enforce law-bound restrictions to free speech, such as spouting neo-nazi propaganda.
remember people are dumber than before, they believe tv shows, they even believe movies and sitcoms to be founded in reality.

people are being told that muslims are inherently evil, that there are such a thing as "evil countries" and you get threads like these. i would even bet that OP is a decent person, misled by:
free speech by racist morons.

everything should be monitored, nothing should be completely free, cus a select few are always likely to go all apeshit, and take others with them.

I suppose that's why they turn out in full face masks and have had some members arrested for carrying knives and bats to protests then? There are also laws against the racist slurs they chant.

Current.com EDL counter protests in birmingham

oh yes. a nice peaceful protest simply exercising its right to hurl racist abuse, get drunk and sing football songs. well done.

ANd what about all the other groups of peo[ple that had members do the same?

expand on that please - members of what groups , where, when etc

Expansion is unecessay, Any group large enough will have a few that can act like taht, A handful of bad muslins does not make muslims bad.

When we're engaged in a war against certain religious factions, and when religious belief seems to have played in a recent disaster on a military base, I think it DOES carry a little extra weight if someone fighting those wars or living on those bases says, in effect, "Hey, it's not the religion that is the problem. They have and should have the freedom to believe what they want to believe without prejudice."

That anyone could even ask the question at the start of this thread offends, to me, the principles our country is based on.

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Islam is incompatible with modern civilization.


...next question.

Aparently not

muslim nations that seem to be doing quite well, with modern civilization:

Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Brunei, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Oman, Malaysia, Turkey, the list goes on, in fact MOST muslim countries seem to be functioning quite tip-top.

conclusion: your talking out of your ass.

" ...next question."

Your standards of what constitute "quite tip-top" couldn't be lower.

Every society has its very rich and its very poor. The real key to a society is the "middle class". How well are they doing?

ruveyn

Is that a True or False question?

No worst then anyone else

His choice of the term tip-top might have been ill thought, but the point is: are those countries busily engaged in 'bad things'? Are their middle class(such as it is in each case) engaged in immoral, socially destructive behavior?

It would be a bold claim to suggest that they are.

i am not interested in what religion anyone is and i think nothing about that, however i am not pleased with the behavior of some "middle eastern" people that are here in australia.

we have middle eastern immigrants of mainly lebanese extraction , and their culture and way of life is so different than what i am used to.
i was alive before there was a substantial population of them in this country. from about 1990 onward, there were a large amount of lebanese people who immigrated to australia.

now there are suburbs that have been taken over by them, and those suburbs have few original (english descent (i know aborigines are the original australians)) australians left living in them.
when i have to drive through those suburbs, i look closely at the activity in the streets as i pass by with my windows up and my doors locked.
almost everyone i see is in some sort of passionate debate about something, and they look like they are on the verge of losing their temper.
they seem so easily angered and also they seem keen to exploit any weakness they perceive in "white aussie p*icks" who they mostly hate.

i see graffiti there that says things like "death to white aussie c*nts" everywhere and they seem like born criminals to me when i look at them arguing and hustling on the street as if they were in a rock strewn street in lebanon.

they get into their chrome plated lowered boom box cars with things dangling from their rear view mirrors, and they prowl the streets of far away affluent peaceful suburbs to find people to bash for fun.

they see australians as weak, and they want to take over and they do seriously uncivilized things. they gang rape australians girls because those girls have the "insolence" to wear short skirts (which they claim makes them deserved of rape).

they call australian girls "meat left uncovered for the flies". we have had story after story on the news that another middle eastern gang has pack raped an australian girl, and their spiritual "mufti's" argue that they are not in the wrong, because the girls are being obscene for displaying their skin.

that may be the case in the middle east, but they continue their way of life here and they feel justified for raping a girl where 8 of them each take turns, and then they bash the girl or murder her.

then when they get sentenced to life imprisonment, the middle eastern community is angered to the point of hostility and there are reprisals and the trouble just is never ending with them.

they are born to argue and wave their fists about in violent passionate protestation. i think it must be in their genes because it is so prevalent among young middle eastern men to be discontent and greedy.
maybe it helped their ancestors survive 1200 years ago, and maybe it is why only that genetic strain prevailed, and to this day they act like they are oppressed because of their instinct, and they retaliate from instinct (at nothing much) to the point of inviting aggressive retribution which proves to them that their self fulfilling prophecy is valid.

maybe a thousand years ago, the only people in the middle eastern gene pool to survive were those who fought and hustled and killed for their share.
so that tendency was bred into their descendants, and now here we have in modernity, the same personality dynamics that were suitable for life in the dark ages.

i have had many encounters of a negative kind with lebanese youths. they like to pick fights.
they have too much aggressive energy that they never get to vent in australia because everything and everyone is so agreeable. so it builds up inside them and they can not contain it, so on friday nights they go on a bashing spree to vent their pent up aggression which is an inevitable genetic trait.

last time i had a problem with middle eastern youths was when i was playing a poker machine (slot machine in US?). i was waiting for someone else to arrive and i never looked at anything other then the poker machine screen. after a while, i became aware of voices that seemed to be aimed at my ear.

i listened and one loud voice was saying "hey mate!! ! hey mate!! ! i'm talkin' to ya ! !!"
i turned to see what he was talking about, and he said "hey man....what the f*ck do ya think you're lookin' at?! !! !"

so i turned away from him and he came over and turned me around with his hands to face him and said very aggressively "what da f*ck are you lookin" at ?!?!?!?!"

i knew there was no way out of a bashing and i was thinking i may have to quickly react when 2 security guards stepped in and stopped it.
they said to the security guard "yeah he wuz checkin' out mah mates arse hey" (an absolute lie), but they were forced to leave, and i was told later that they had abused a girl there before i got there and they called her a "snob slut" for no rational reason after harassing her.
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there was a melt down up in relations of normal australians with the lebanese community about 2 years ago when the "cronulla riots" happened.
it was internationally broadcast that australia was racially intolerant and was victimizing the poor immigrants from the middle east due to ignorant bigotry.

the real story (as i know it) was that a group of middle eastern youths were returning day after day to cronulla beach, and they were harassing and propositioning australian girls there because the girls were wearing bikinis. they were saying things like "come here slut and sit on my huge.....etc "

when the australian girls ignored them, they became enraged and assaulted some of them physically.

then the life guards (which are not middle eastern) intervened and arrested the youths and they went to court.
so the middle eastern youths text messaged thousands of other middle eastern youths to go to cronulla and pay the "aussies" back for daring to charge them for harassing and raping the girls.

there was a stampede of middle easterners that arrived in cronulla that day, and they were determined to exact their revenge, but many australian people in the various pubs they were drinking at, heard about the situation and they went to the scene, and there was a major clash between australians and lebanese.

it was reported in europe as yet another example of "australian racism".

no i do not want any more people who can not relax and appreciate that things are good near me.