Soros backed group tries to paint Beck as anti-semite again
And by drama I mean theater, because that's all it is.
Well, I wouldn't go so far as to call it "theater." Theater has some redeeming qualities. Fox News doesn't.
Several things don't fit your narrative such as Fox News and Glenn Beck being one of the few to point out the supposed peace flotila was a farce, and even going so far as pointing out the metal pipes that were used to club Israeli soldiers as they boarded those ships to inspect them. (The Israelis were armed with paintball guns).
You're just calling him an antisemite because he's got a problem with George Soros, that's like calling someone a racist for being critical of Obama. What you and others here and in the media have been doing is extremely dishonest.
And by drama I mean theater, because that's all it is.
Well, I wouldn't go so far as to call it "theater." Theater has some redeeming qualities. Fox News doesn't.
Several things don't fit your narrative such as Fox News and Glenn Beck being one of the few to point out the supposed peace flotila was a farce, and even going so far as pointing out the metal pipes that were used to club Israeli soldiers as they boarded those ships to inspect them. (The Israelis were armed with paintball guns).
You're just calling him an antisemite because he's got a problem with George Soros, that's like calling someone a racist for being critical of Obama. What you and others here and in the media have been doing is extremely dishonest.
For the record I do not believe Glenn Beck is antisemitic.
In case that was directed at me.
I agree that the media is extremely dishonest, Fox included. It's not news, it's influence and propaganda. To think otherwise is naive.
And by drama I mean theater, because that's all it is.
Well, I wouldn't go so far as to call it "theater." Theater has some redeeming qualities. Fox News doesn't.
Several things don't fit your narrative such as Fox News and Glenn Beck being one of the few to point out the supposed peace flotila was a farce, and even going so far as pointing out the metal pipes that were used to club Israeli soldiers as they boarded those ships to inspect them. (The Israelis were armed with paintball guns).
You're just calling him an antisemite because he's got a problem with George Soros, that's like calling someone a racist for being critical of Obama. What you and others here and in the media have been doing is extremely dishonest.
For the record I do not believe Glenn Beck is antisemitic.
In case that was directed at me.
I agree that the media is extremely dishonest, Fox included. It's not news, it's influence and propaganda. To think otherwise is naive.
It is directed at pandabear, not you. I tend to be rather cynical about news and actually check multiple sources, I've found though that of the News agencies out there; Fox News and Drudge Report are the ones that you are most likely going to get the truth from. Glenn Beck's analysis of what has been going on has been scarily accurate and as he's said the masks are starting to come off.
We have formally tried George Soros on two of the charges leveled by Glenn Beck, and acquitted him both times.
Are there any other inane Glenn Beck accusations that you would like us to analyze for you?
We have formally tried George Soros on two of the charges leveled by Glenn Beck, and acquitted him both times.
Are there any other inane Glenn Beck accusations that you would like us to analyze for you?
In all honesty, I wouldn't trust you to give me the time of day accurately. So far you've taken Glenn Beck out of context deliberately to try to slander him. You have deliberately mischarecterized what I have said in the past, particularly this "charging Soros as a Nazi Collaborator," he was a juvenile when that happened. My problem isn't with the boy (whom was scared and trying to protect his family), my problem is the fact he has no remorse about it years later.
So quite frankly, pandabear sure there are numerous charges that Beck has leveled, and there is more evidence on the Thailand incident, as well as UK, and US. You just quite frankly have already made up your mind, you also are going to just misrepresent what I say at every turn, and quite frankly your attempts to bait me are very obvious.
Don't you even have a watch?
No I haven't. I took his words completely in context.
So, now you admit that he was not a "Nazi Collaborator" after all, after the trial.
How do you know what he is feeling deep inside? Have you spoken with his therapist?
Like that "puppetmaster" nonsense, for example.
That case was closed. Mr. Soros was acquitted.
Like what?
All that we are doing is investigating your charges, and you don't like it.
Glenn Beck calls Mr. Soros a "Nazi collaborator." You do your check of multiple sources, and find that Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Lyndon LaRouche, plus a score of other right-wing hacks also call Mr. Soros a "Nazi collaborator." Therefore, in your vile little mind, George Soros is a "Nazi collaborator" and a "scumbag."
We gave Mr. Soros a fair and impartial trial. Just because we didn't automatically convict this Joooo of whatever cockamamie accusation you wish to level at him, and send him immediately to the gallows, doesn't mean that Mr. Soros did not receive a fair and impartial trial. If you are dissatisfied with the outcome, then you can blame the prosecutor for being incompetent.
http://www.thenation.com/article/157900 ... -fox-piven
On the afternoon of January 6, Frances Fox Piven, a distinguished professor, legendary activist, writer and longtime contributor to this magazine, received an e-mail from an unknown correspondent. There was no text, just a subject line that read: DIE YOU c**t. It was not the first piece of hateful e-mail Piven had gotten, nor would it be the last. One writer told her to "go back to Canada you dumb b***h"; another ended with this wish: "may cancer find you soon."
Piven was unnerved but not surprised. These are not pretty e-mails, but they appear positively decorous compared with what has been written about her by commentators on Glenn Beck's website, The Blaze, where she's been the target of a relentless campaign to demonize her—and worse. There, under cover of anonymous handles, scores of people have called for Piven's murder, even volunteering to do the job with their own hands. "Somebody tell Frances I have 5000 roundas [sic] ready and I'll give My life to take Our freedom back," wrote superwrench4. "ONE SHOT...ONE KILL!" proclaimed Jst1425. "The only redistribution I am interested in is that of a precious metal.... LEAD," declared Patriot1952. Posts like these are interwoven with ripples of misogyny, outbursts of bizarre anti-Semitism and crude insults about Piven's looks (she's actually a noted beauty) and age (she's 78 ).
This fusillade was evidently set off by Piven's recent Nation editorial calling for a mass movement of the unemployed ["Mobilizing the Jobless," January 10/17]. But Beck has had Piven in his cross-hairs for some time. In the past few years he's featured Piven, along with her late husband, Richard Cloward, in at least twenty-eight broadcasts, all of which paint them as masterminds of an overarching left-wing plot called "the Cloward-Piven strategy," which supposedly engineered the financial crisis of 2008, healthcare reform, Obama's election and massive voter fraud, among other world-historical events (see Richard Kim, "The Mad Tea Party," April 12, 2010). Cloward and Piven, Beck once argued, are "fundamentally responsible for the unsustainability and possible collapse of our economic system." In his most recent diatribe against Piven (January 17) he repeatedly called her "the enemy of the Constitution." In Beck's telling, because Piven and her comrades on the left support civil disobedience in some circumstances, it is they—not the heavily armed militias of the radical right—who threaten Americans' safety.
It's tempting not to dignify such ludicrous distortions with a response. But in brief: Piven, throughout her career as an activist and academic, has embodied the best of American democracy. It has been her life's work to amplify the voices of the disenfranchised through voter registration drives, grassroots organization and, when necessary, street protest. The way economic injustice warps and erodes our democracy has been a central preoccupation. But passive lament has never been her game. Recognizing the leverage that oppressed groups have—and working with them to use it—is her special genius.
It's perhaps not surprising, then, that the pseudo-populist right finds her so threatening. The highly personalized and concerted campaign against Piven, already unsettling, takes on added gravity in the context of the recent shootings of Representative Gabrielle Giffords, federal judge John Roll and eighteen other people in Arizona. But while commentators debate whether the killer in that case—the mentally disturbed Jared Loughner—was inspired by the ravings of right-wing demagogues, the forgotten story of Byron Williams provides a straightforward example of the way hateful rhetoric fuels violence.
In July, Williams, a convicted bank robber, put on a suit of body armor and got in a car with a 9-mm handgun, a shotgun and a .308 caliber rifle equipped with armor-piercing bullets and set off for San Francisco. His destination was the Tides Foundation, which had been mentioned at that point in at least twenty-nine episodes of the Glenn Beck show, sometimes along with Piven. His goal, as he later told police, was to kill "people of importance at the Tides Foundation and the ACLU" in order to "start a revolution." Williams's mother said that he had been watching TV news and was upset at "the way Congress was railroading through all these left-wing-agenda items." Or, as Williams himself put it, "I would have never started watching Fox News if it wasn't for the fact that Beck was on there. And it was the things that he did, it was the things he exposed that blew my mind." California Highway Patrol officers pulled Williams over for driving erratically and, after a firefight, subdued and arrested him before he could blow anyone else's mind away.
For a responsible journalist and a responsible media outlet, such an incident would have spurred a process of intense self-scrutiny. But this is Glenn Beck and Fox, and as is evident from the campaign against Piven, nothing of the sort occurred. In the hundreds of posts about Piven on The Blaze, there is not one admonition to tone down the violent rhetoric, not one clear instance in which an editor intervened to moderate the thread. In fact, commenters seem at liberty to egg one another on: one poster pointedly noted that Piven lives in New York City and teaches at CUNY; another then linked to a website that listed Piven's home address and phone number. "Why is this woman still alive?" asked capnjack. "Mainly because you haven't killed her, I imagine. See, someone that really cares and has the courage of their conviction must actually DO SOMETHING," responded Diamondback. And the calls for assassination are not limited to Piven. As Civilunrestnow put it in a post that perfectly captures the tenor of right-wing eliminationist fantasy, "I say bring it. 90 million legal gun owners with over 220 million legal firearms, MOST in the hands of people who claim to be center RIGHT. I think it's time to reduce the surplus population of leeches, lay abouts, left wing nut jobs, the main stream media, liberal politicians and MOST defense attorneys."
Of course, crazed right-wingers enjoy the protection of the First Amendment, too. But the overwhelming and transparent calls for murder on Beck's website, among other right-wing hot spots, can't be casually dismissed as "just talk." At one time it was all just talk for Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh and Dr. George Tiller's assassin, Scott Roeder, too. We were lucky that police happened to pull over Byron Williams before he reached the Tides Foundation's door. In a sense Glenn Beck was lucky too. How long will this luck hold out?
What does this Aryan turd have against Frances Fox Piven? And, who the Hell is she, anyway?
Glenn Beck calls Mr. Soros a "Nazi collaborator." You do your check of multiple sources, and find that Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Lyndon LaRouche, plus a score of other right-wing hacks also call Mr. Soros a "Nazi collaborator." Therefore, in your vile little mind, George Soros is a "Nazi collaborator" and a "scumbag."
We gave Mr. Soros a fair and impartial trial. Just because we didn't automatically convict this Joooo of whatever cockamamie accusation you wish to level at him, and send him immediately to the gallows, doesn't mean that Mr. Soros did not receive a fair and impartial trial. If you are dissatisfied with the outcome, then you can blame the prosecutor for being incompetent.
Glenn Beck also said that he can excuse what Soros did as a boy, but he finds Soros' lack of remorse as an adult extremely troubling. I have pointed out before that some Jewish groups have sided with Glenn Beck on this.
I'm sure that Mr. Soros is supremely grateful and relieved.
Why is that? Mr. Beck has said that he doesn't like Jewish psycho-analytic methods. Upon which set of psycho-analytic paradigms is Mr. Beck basing his findings? Is it the paradigm that "Jews, as a whole, are a bunch of remorseless scumbags?"
These must be the same Jews who deny the holocaust.
Well here is a Jewish organization calling the people criticizing Glenn Beck a bunch of morons.
The Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) has expressed its concern over the strong criticism that a number of American Jewish leaders and other prominent Jews in recent days have directed at Fox broadcaster, Glenn Beck, for his criticism of Israel/U.S.-basher, financier George Soros, regarding his behavior in Nazi-occupied Budapest in 1944.
In that year, George Soros’ father obtained forged papers and bribed a government official to save his son, George, then 14 years old, by taking him in as his alleged godson under a falsified Christian identity. In this capacity, George Soros accompanied his fake godfather on his appointed rounds as a government official, confiscating property from Jews who were to be deported to their deaths in Auschwitz. George Soros later said that he felt no guilt, remorse or difficulty whatsoever for being in this situation. In fact, he wrote in a forward to his father’s book, “these ten months [of the Nazi occupation] were the happiest times of my life ... We led an adventurous life and we had fun together.”
Regarding this circumstance, Mr. Beck said recently on his radio show that Soros “used to go around with this anti-Semite and deliver papers to the Jews and confiscate their property and then ship them off. And George Soros was part of it. He would help confiscate the stuff. It was frightening. Here’s a Jewish boy helping send the Jews to the death camps. I am certainly not saying George Soros enjoyed that, even had a choice -- I mean, he’s 14 years old. He was surviving. So I’m not making a judgment, that’s between him and G-d” (‘Soros enjoys taking countries down,’ November 10, 2010).
A number of American Jewish leaders condemned Mr. Beck, who happens to be a great supporter of Israel and the Jewish people, for these remarks, yet a 1998 interview with Soros conducted by Steve Kroft on ‘60 Minutes’ shows that Beck was essentially correct:
KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.
Mr. SOROS: Yes. Yes.
KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.
Mr. SOROS: Yes. That’s right. Yes.
KROFT: I mean, that’s–that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?
Mr. SOROS: Not–not at all. Not at all. Maybe as a child you don’t–you don’t see the connection. But it was–it created no–no problem at all.
KROFT: No feeling of guilt?
Mr. SOROS: No.
KROFT: For example that, ‘I’m Jewish and here I am, watching these people go. I could just as easily be there. I should be there.’ None of that?
Mr. SOROS: Well, of course I c–I could be on the other side or I could be the one from whom the thing is being taken away. But there was no sense that I shouldn’t be there, because that was–well, actually, in a funny way, it’s just like in markets–that if I weren’t there–of course, I wasn’t doing it, but somebody else would–would–would be taking it away anyhow” (‘Interview with Steve Kroft,’ ‘60 Minutes,’ December 20, 1998).
The following is a sampling of anti-Israel, anti American statements by George Soros:
· In the introduction to his father’s Tivadar Soros’ book, Masquerade: Dancing Around Death in Nazi-Occupied Hungary, which Soros himself wrote, Soros said of the months that he lived under Nazi occupation “these ten months [of the Nazi occupation in 1944] were the happiest times of my life ... We led an adventurous life and we had fun together.”
· “There is a resurgence of anti-Semitism in Europe. The policies of the Bush administration and the Sharon administration contribute to that … It’s not specifically anti-Semitism, but it does manifest itself in anti-Semitism as well. I’m critical of those policies. If we change that direction, then anti-Semitism also will diminish” (Uriel Heilman, ‘In rare Jewish appearance, Soros says Jews and Israel cause anti-Semitism (Bush policies too!),‘ JTA.org, November 7, 2003).
· “‘The true motives for the Bush administration’s determination to overthrow Saddam Hussein remain shrouded in mystery …Oil and Israel likely loomed large in the administration’s policy deliberations, but these were not the reasons publicly offered by Bush and his advisers for the invasion of Iraq’ … In his chapter ‘The Iraqi Quagmire,’ a section on ‘the motives’ describes Israel as an ‘important consideration’” (Ira Stoll, “Soros Says Israel Was Likely Motive For War,” The New York Sun, December 4, 2003).
· “‘He [Soros] also says that the Nazis, Israel, Arab terrorists, and America after September 11 are all cases of ‘victims turning perpetrators’… He writes that, ‘Under the Bush administration, the United States has also become a victim-turned-perpetrator, although the American public would be loath to recognize it’” (Ira Stoll, “Soros Says Israel Was Likely Motive For War,” New York Sun, December 4, 2003).
· “The Bush Administration is actively supporting the Israeli government in its refusal to recognize a Palestinian unity government that includes Hamas” (George Soros, ‘On Israel, America and AIPAC,’ New York Review of Books, Vol. 54, No. 6, April 12, 2007).
· I am not a Zionist” (George Soros, ‘On Israel, America and AIPAC,’ New York Review of Books, Vol. 54, No. 6, April 12, 2007).
· “Then came the blunder I am talking about. Israel, with the strong backing of the United States, refused to recognize the democratically elected Hamas government… no progress is possible as long as the Bush administration and the Ehud Olmert government persist in their current position of refusing to recognize a unity government that includes Hamas…” (George Soros, ‘On Israel, America and AIPAC,’ New York Review of Books, Vol. 54, No. 6, April 12, 2007).
· “I don’t think that you can ever overcome anti-Semitism if you behave as a tribe; the only way you can overcome it is if you give up the tribalness” (Connie Bruc, ‘The World According to Soros,’ New Yorker, January 23, 1995).
· “NEWSWEEK: You say that the main obstacle to a stable and just world is the United States. That’s a pretty strong statement.
George Soros: Yes, but it happens to coincide with the prevailing opinion in the world … By declaring a ‘war on terror’ after September the 11th, we set the wrong agenda for the world” (‘America the Dangerous?, ‘Interview with George Soros, Newsweek, June 28, 2006).
“More recently, since September 11, Mr. Soros has made it his goal to burst what he has called ‘the bubble of American supremacy.’ He has said that having helped to liberate Communist countries, he now views America as the gravest threat to world freedom” (Editorial, “Who Is George Soros?” Wall Street Journal, November 10, 2003).
The Abu Ghraib affair was a “moment of truth” for the U.S. that “hit us the same way as the [September 11, 2001] terrorist attack itself” (Peter Wallsten, ‘Distaste for Bush Spurs Liberals to Push for Kerry,’ Los Angeles Times, June 4, 2004).
· “‘When I hear Bush say, ‘You’re either with us or against us,” it reminds me of the Germans.’ It conjures up memories, he said, of Nazi slogans on the walls, Der Feind Hort mit (‘the enemy is listening’). ‘My experiences under Nazi and Soviet rule have sensitized me” (Laura Blumenfeld, ‘Soros’ Deep Pockets Vs. Bush,’ Washington Post, September 11, 2003).
· “The crisis now, the one that I’m predicting, the crisis of global capitalism, latest version, is a political and military crisis,” an agitated Soros told me. “It has been brought about by the exploitation of Sept. 11 by the Bush administration to pursue its policy of dominating the world in the guise of fighting terrorism” (Mark Gimein, ‘George Soros Is Mad as Hell,’ Fortune, October 27, 2003).
· “The Bush dream of American supremacy is both unattainable and in contradiction with the principles that America has traditionally stood for. It endangers our values as well as our security” (George Soros, ‘The Bubble of American Supremacy: the cost of Bush’s War in Iraq,’ 2004).
In addition:
· Soros has also been a massive contributor to Human Rights Watch, to which he pledged $100 million last month and which international law authority Professor Anne Bayefsky has described thus, “Human Rights Watch defended the U.N.’s ‘anti-racism’ Durban Declaration despite its blatant discrimination against Israel and cast its lot with those who have painted the defenders of Jewish self-determination as racists. HRW supported the U.N.’s Goldstone report, a modern-day blood libel that claims Israel ‘deliberately’ aimed to murder Palestinian civilians under the guise of defending its own people against Hamas terror. HRW championed the U.N. Human Rights Council and strongly advocated U.S. membership, in the full knowledge that the council has adopted more resolutions and decisions condemning Israel than all the other 191 U.N. member states combined. Last year, representatives of Human Rights Watch unashamedly traveled to one of the world’s worst human-rights abusers, Saudi Arabia, to raise money by casting the organization as an antidote to what they labeled ‘pro-Israel pressure groups.’ Since HRW had, as [HRW founder Robert] Bernstein put it, itself produced ‘far more condemnations of Israel . . . than of any other country in the region,’ he rightly concluded that it had turned its back on its founding mission and significantly diminished its moral force” (Anne Bayefsky, ‘Soros’ Anti-Human Rights Agenda,’ National Review Online, September 20, 2010).
· Soros is a major funder of J Street, an anti-Israel group which supported the Goldstone Report and came out against sanctions against Iran. Leaders of J Street understood just how anti-Israel was the reputation of George Soros that they denied that Soros was a contributor. Only last month did this fact come to light.
Syndicated columnist and broadcaster Dennis Prager has written, “What do Karl Marx, Leon Trotsky, Noam Chomsky and George Soros have in common? They were/are all radicals, born to Jewish parents, had no Jewish identity and hurt Jews (not to mention non-Jews)” (Dennis Prager, ‘George Soros and the Problem of the Radical Non-Jewish Jew,’ Dennisprager.com. February 27, 2007).
ZOA National President Morton A. Klein said, “It is painful, troubling and disquieting to see Jewish leaders defending any actions by George Soros, someone who has shown himself to be an active antagonist of Israel and the U.S., whom he blames for the world’s troubles. But, unfortunately, this is nothing new or unusual. It is painful to see Jewish leaders time and again defend virulent critics of Israel – not only George Soros, but figures like Yasser Arafat, of whom one Jewish leader said when Arafat received the Nobel Peace prize that he ‘deserved it and earned it’ and even that Arafat’s use of the term ‘jihad’ merely meant ‘jihad for peace.’
“Or anti-Israel figures like Desmond Tutu (whose vicious statements about Israel the ZOA has previously listed), whom one Jewish leader defended when Tutu was disinvited from speaking at a Minnesota university on account of his record of virulent anti-Israel words and actions, thereby regaining a speaking platform for Tutu. After ZOA exposed Tutu’s vicious hostility towards Israel, students at the campus went to work and were able to get the invitation rescinded. At that point, a Jewish leader called the president of the university as well as publicly proclaiming that Tutu was merely a ‘harsh critic of Israel, not an anti-Semite’ and therefore should be allowed to speak.
“Then there is also the case of Professor John Roth, who was appointed to direct studies at the U.S. Holocaust Museum, but who had equated some Israeli policies with Nazi policies) and had also urged Israel to stop aliyah on the grounds that it provokes Arabs, but who was defended by many Jewish leaders, rabbis and academics when his hostile record was exposed by ZOA (and which finally led to Roth’s resignation).
“And at the drop of a hat, when the perennial Israel-basher Jimmy Carter made a statement that they misconstrued being an apology, several Jewish leaders immediately made statements like this is ‘the beginning of reconciliation,’ ‘we must look at it seriously,’ and ‘Carter should be congratulated an encouraged.’
“It is also readily apparent that George Soros shows a callous, indeed, chilling lack of human empathy for the unspeakable fate of his Jewish brethren in Hungary which he witnessed first-hand. This is noteworthy, because this lack of empathy is also remarkably rare among those who witnessed the Holocaust but were lucky enough to have survived it.
“I, myself, am the son of Holocaust survivors who met in a German Displaced Persons camp, where I was born. I know from personal knowledge that my father, whose parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles and all eight siblings were murdered by the Nazis, felt constant pangs of guilt about having survived while his family, friends, Jewish neighbors and Jewish brethren were murdered by the millions. Obviously, he bore no moral responsibility at all but, like other survivors, could not escape feelings of guilt, for being the sole survivor, which haunted and plagued my father till the end of his life. As attested to, many times, by clinicians who have studied Holocaust survivors, it is a normal, understandable reaction of those in such situations. It is deeply chilling that Mr. Soros never felt any grief, horror, or guilt over the loss of so much of his Jewish brethren and comfortably proclaims such.
“In light of Soros’ hatred of Israel and the United States; his continuous efforts to harm them; the absence of any subsequent remorse and feeling as an adult over the events he witnesses in Nazi-occupied Hungary as a 14-year old; as well as the fact that Glenn Beck’s comments were essentially accurate, George Soros merits no defense or sympathy from Jewish leaders. We are truly puzzled that some Jewish leaders have chosen to defend this and other Israel-bashers from their critics.”
http://www.zoa.org/sitedocuments/pressr ... aseID=1968
wow you can copy and paste ZOA propaganda.
half the statements they quote are ridiculous
being appalled by abu-gharib is anti-Semitic now?
I have no respect for ZOA try citing a non-hyper-partisan source.
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?We must not look at goblin men,
We must not buy their fruits:
Who knows upon what soil they fed
Their hungry thirsty roots??
http://jakobvirgil.blogspot.com/
did I say that?
ultra-partisanship = bad on any side of any issue.
running around calling anyone who questions your view Un-american or anti-Semitic
is just silly it puts moderates in the same camp as radicals.
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?We must not look at goblin men,
We must not buy their fruits:
Who knows upon what soil they fed
Their hungry thirsty roots??
http://jakobvirgil.blogspot.com/
did I say that?
ultra-partisanship = bad on any side of any issue.
running around calling anyone who questions your view Un-american or anti-Semitic
is just silly it puts moderates in the same camp as radicals.
Sorry not you lol.
I was poking fun at Inuyasha
