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The taxpayer support that public state colleges, fire protection, police protection, national defense, schools you have attended from K-12, roads you drive on, and all of the other nice social welfare amenities that close to everyone in the US enjoys are all services provided by the government that the majority of the country pays a small percentage of their income in taxes to enjoy.

Did you pay anything to go to school K-12? Chances are your parents paid a small amount if they owned a home and pay sales tax in the state you live in, but whatever your family paid was a drop in the bucket of the full subsidy you received from the government to obtain an education to even have the opportunity to go to college.

If you consider the taxpayer provided ability to go to a State College a handup in life, how is that different than the ability to obtain healthcare when one may require it to have any possibility to survive in life.

You wouldn't have roads to drive on to go to a grocery store if it wasn't for government social programs, so unless you grow and hunt your own subsistence, you couldn't survive here without the social programs that provide just the roads.

Roads, schools, security from lawlessness, protection from fire, defense from foreign attack, and healthcare when it is required to survive are all services you can't live without if you plan on surviving in life, in with the freedoms you now enjoy in the US.

If you are lucky enough to have enjoyed all these benefits your entire life, how could one possibly deny another the ability to obtain health care because of the non-sensical notion that it is part of some marxist philosophy.

If school is an entitlement, along with all the other entitlements you have enjoyed they are no less part of the marxist ideology you fear than the ability to go to the doctor for treatment for cancer if you are ever unfortunate enough to have the condition.

Get worried if the government starts providing 3 month paid vacations to all the citizens here, but health care reform is no more unreasonable an entitlement than the toilet paper you use on a rest area stop on the interstate; another government provided service customized for you. Of course, unless, you insist on bringing in your own supply, which I highly doubt is the case, because so many people take for granted everything in life that is provided by the government at taxpayer expense.

And again as discussed before in a previous discussion on the healthcare reform act, if you think your rights are abused because you don't want health insurance, and don't want to play nice with the rest of the country to ensure that you and your fellow citizens can have the ability to receive healthcare they may so desparately need, you can avoid paying the penalty for not purchasing health care, at no risk of criminal penalty.

The only action that can be taken against you is to deduct the penalty out of any taxrefund you have coming due. It's the law as written; look it up, if you don't believe it.

If you don't want healthcare, take your chances, but when the time comes for you or your family needs it, and can't afford it, you will understand better why it one of the most worthwhile entitlements that any government could provide their citizens.

If your grandfather was correct, all we have are fools in this country, perhaps except for the Amish; most everyone depends on government help to survive.

If not, prove they don't.

That is different. My bro is severely autistic and is on social security. I'm talking the ones who can work but don't want to. I have a cousin who is like that. She a high school dropout with 3 kids working a min wage job compalins how unfair life is when she could go and take free G.E.D Classes at the local community college as wel as get scholarships at the same college if she obtains it and wish to futher her education.
Those are the ones I'm talknig about.

So the children should suffer because their mother is a lazy twit?

The children wouldn't be suffering if we as a society would stop moddly-coddling people who make bad choices. My grandfather sure as hell didn't with me and I seem to turn out half way decent.I'm not out in the crips gang selling drugs while getting 100 women pregnant.

Moddly coddling has nothing to do with a hardworking person losing their job and not having the ability to obtain health insurance for their spouse and children. The problem with a civilized society is one where it is impossible to pay for one's own healthcare because it is too expensive.

So what is the solution, do you go for the medicaid if made available by the government, or do you refuse it, because someone told you it was a socialist policy for the government to provide healthcare, and watch your child suffer?

If you can't answer that question, it's not reasonable for you to present an opinion that affordable healthcare should not be an option for as many American's as possible.

If you would be willing to watch your child suffer instead of accepting government help, I can see how important the principle of refusing government help is to you, but I bet you would accept the help as quickly as anyone else if you were actually in the situation.

Normal humans don't watch their child suffer health problems, if there are any alternatives available to prevent it.

What's worse, a thousand people dying because they couldn't afford health care coverage, or a proud person that swallowed their pride, as a decent human being, and accepted that their fellow human beings deserved an opportunity to live?

It' more than that's just life and it sucks, when there is something that can be done about it to prevent it from happening.