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01 Sep 2011, 11:42 am

dopplercb wrote:
I have never heard of religiously oriented prostitution.

They were also called "Temple Prostitutes" or "Shrine Prostitutes".

Google it sometime.


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01 Sep 2011, 4:43 pm

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follow me. new testament replaces old law. old law still followed. why?

Neither the NT nor the OT is simply a bunch of rules, although both do have rules in them. The NT does consistently show respect for the OT, but it also removes the OT rules from operation. However, there are 2 kinds of OT rules, moral rules and rules about detailed actions. Morality was not changed, so 'don't murder' still applies.


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01 Sep 2011, 7:17 pm

Ancalagon wrote:
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follow me. new testament replaces old law. old law still followed. why?

Neither the NT nor the OT is simply a bunch of rules, although both do have rules in them. The NT does consistently show respect for the OT, but it also removes the OT rules from operation. However, there are 2 kinds of OT rules, moral rules and rules about detailed actions. Morality was not changed, so 'don't murder' still applies.
What Jesus was saying when he said "don't worry about the 10 commandments (paraphrasing)" was that if you love your neighbor as yourself you won't want to steal from him or kill him or sleep with his wife etc. He was replacing a set of rules with a mindset of love which makes the rules unnecessary to be there.


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02 Sep 2011, 8:39 am

Knifey wrote:
Ancalagon wrote:
dopplercb wrote:
follow me. new testament replaces old law. old law still followed. why?

Neither the NT nor the OT is simply a bunch of rules, although both do have rules in them. The NT does consistently show respect for the OT, but it also removes the OT rules from operation. However, there are 2 kinds of OT rules, moral rules and rules about detailed actions. Morality was not changed, so 'don't murder' still applies.
What Jesus was saying when he said "don't worry about the 10 commandments (paraphrasing)" was that if you love your neighbor as yourself you won't want to steal from him or kill him or sleep with his wife etc. He was replacing a set of rules with a mindset of love which makes the rules unnecessary to be there.


It's kinda unrealistic to expect one to love their neighbor as they do themselves, if you ask me. And with how some people act, maybe it's a good thing that don't kill rule is in place- some people are just asking for it.

But even among the greatest familial bonds, people do messed up things sometimes.



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02 Sep 2011, 9:00 am

CaptainTrips222 wrote:
Knifey wrote:
Ancalagon wrote:
dopplercb wrote:
follow me. new testament replaces old law. old law still followed. why?

Neither the NT nor the OT is simply a bunch of rules, although both do have rules in them. The NT does consistently show respect for the OT, but it also removes the OT rules from operation. However, there are 2 kinds of OT rules, moral rules and rules about detailed actions. Morality was not changed, so 'don't murder' still applies.
What Jesus was saying when he said "don't worry about the 10 commandments (paraphrasing)" was that if you love your neighbor as yourself you won't want to steal from him or kill him or sleep with his wife etc. He was replacing a set of rules with a mindset of love which makes the rules unnecessary to be there.


It's kinda unrealistic to expect one to love their neighbor as they do themselves, if you ask me. And with how some people act, maybe it's a good thing that don't kill rule is in place- some people are just asking for it.

But even among the greatest familial bonds, people do messed up things sometimes.


Learn the difference between recognizing and respecting the humanity and liking.

We are not called to LIKE anybody.



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02 Sep 2011, 2:09 pm

Philologos wrote:
CaptainTrips222 wrote:
Knifey wrote:
Ancalagon wrote:
dopplercb wrote:
follow me. new testament replaces old law. old law still followed. why?

Neither the NT nor the OT is simply a bunch of rules, although both do have rules in them. The NT does consistently show respect for the OT, but it also removes the OT rules from operation. However, there are 2 kinds of OT rules, moral rules and rules about detailed actions. Morality was not changed, so 'don't murder' still applies.
What Jesus was saying when he said "don't worry about the 10 commandments (paraphrasing)" was that if you love your neighbor as yourself you won't want to steal from him or kill him or sleep with his wife etc. He was replacing a set of rules with a mindset of love which makes the rules unnecessary to be there.


It's kinda unrealistic to expect one to love their neighbor as they do themselves, if you ask me. And with how some people act, maybe it's a good thing that don't kill rule is in place- some people are just asking for it.

But even among the greatest familial bonds, people do messed up things sometimes.


Learn the difference between recognizing and respecting the humanity and liking.

We are not called to LIKE anybody.


You realize that's just an interpretation, right? When it asks you to love your fellowman as you do yourself, that literally sounds like you give them the regard as you would yourself. To me, that's different than recognizing their inherent worth.



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02 Sep 2011, 3:24 pm

Fnord wrote:
dopplercb wrote:
I have never heard of religiously oriented prostitution.

They were also called "Temple Prostitutes" or "Shrine Prostitutes".

Google it sometime.


The Temple Prostitutes were the stars of the Fertility Cults.

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02 Sep 2011, 3:38 pm

CaptainTrips222 wrote:
Philologos wrote:

Learn the difference between recognizing and respecting the humanity and liking.

We are not called to LIKE anybody.


You realize that's just an interpretation, right? When it asks you to love your fellowman as you do yourself, that literally sounds like you give them the regard as you would yourself. To me, that's different than recognizing their inherent worth.


I am a linguist. Please to tell me if you are more of a linguist than I am WHAT words have meaning that is NOT interpretation?

Look at the money in your wallet - whereever you are, it is likely a piece of paper with writing on it that says, in effect, "Big Brother says this is money". You exchange it for things that actually are edible - unlike money.

Same with words - they are symbolic things used to put certain ideas in our heads. That is interpretation.

You pays your money and you takes your choice.

You bet "love thy neighbour" imposes on us an obligation to feel affection. But wait: "as thyself". I have no emotional attachment to myself, I do not alays like or approve of myself. But I know who I am, I respect and value myself, I try to maintain my existence.

Which is what I bet the text means [meaning = intended interpretation.

Eventually, God will tell us whose interpretation is closer.



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02 Sep 2011, 3:52 pm

Philologos wrote:
CaptainTrips222 wrote:
Philologos wrote:

Learn the difference between recognizing and respecting the humanity and liking.

We are not called to LIKE anybody.


You realize that's just an interpretation, right? When it asks you to love your fellowman as you do yourself, that literally sounds like you give them the regard as you would yourself. To me, that's different than recognizing their inherent worth.


I am a linguist. Please to tell me if you are more of a linguist than I am WHAT words have meaning that is NOT interpretation?

Look at the money in your wallet - whereever you are, it is likely a piece of paper with writing on it that says, in effect, "Big Brother says this is money". You exchange it for things that actually are edible - unlike money.

Same with words - they are symbolic things used to put certain ideas in our heads. That is interpretation.

You pays your money and you takes your choice.

You bet "love thy neighbour" imposes on us an obligation to feel affection. But wait: "as thyself". I have no emotional attachment to myself, I do not alays like or approve of myself. But I know who I am, I respect and value myself, I try to maintain my existence.

Which is what I bet the text means [meaning = intended interpretation.

Eventually, God will tell us whose interpretation is closer.


Do you presume to know the mind of God, then?



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02 Sep 2011, 7:29 pm

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Do you presume to know the mind of God, then?


Yes and no. Of course I was talking about after we shuffle off this mortal coil OR when it is pulled out from under us. But he is more than happy to communicate. I spend a lot of time discussing things with God - listening rather more than I talk, though I do talk back, don't we all?

I would not claim to know God's mind as well as I understand Number 1 Son's mental workings. But I understand God's mind better than I do yours, for example.

I suspect simply from having spent more time with him Billy Graham or Pope Benedict will have a better acquaintance with him - but of course each relationship is different, and I may have been told some things they have not.

I have a big advantage over some in that when I try to get to know somebody I think I project my own ideas much less than some others do.

Anyway, as I say, in due course we will find out exactly what God is intending. I will be really interested to discover what the whole purpose of the universe is.



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02 Sep 2011, 7:31 pm

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Anyway, as I say, in due course we will find out exactly what God is intending. I will be really interested to discover what the whole purpose of the universe is.


Easy. 42

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02 Sep 2011, 7:56 pm

CaptainTrips222 wrote:
Do you presume to know the mind of God, then?


Dumb machine - I typed and I thought posted a moderately detailed reply, it got lost in space.

So - short version:

I know the mind of God - the parts that concern me - about as well as I know the mind of anybody I discuss things with on a regular basis. at least as well as I know Number 1 Son's. Better than I know yours, certainly.



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03 Sep 2011, 12:01 am

Philologos wrote:
CaptainTrips222 wrote:
Do you presume to know the mind of God, then?


Dumb machine - I typed and I thought posted a moderately detailed reply, it got lost in space.

So - short version:

I know the mind of God - the parts that concern me - about as well as I know the mind of anybody I discuss things with on a regular basis. at least as well as I know Number 1 Son's. Better than I know yours, certainly.


I've been advised, when in doubt about the scriptures, ask God about its intentions.

I have to admit, others have done the same, and have totally different takes on the scriptures.



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03 Sep 2011, 1:19 am

ruveyn wrote:
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Anyway, as I say, in due course we will find out exactly what God is intending. I will be really interested to discover what the whole purpose of the universe is.


Easy. 42

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You been reading the wrong book. You could at LEAST have written mim beth.



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03 Sep 2011, 1:25 am

CaptainTrips222 wrote:

I've been advised, when in doubt about the scriptures, ask God about its intentions.

I have to admit, others have done the same, and have totally different takes on the scriptures.


That is normal experience and COULD have something to do with the obvious fact that no two are sent along the same path.

Modulated, of course, by familiarity, attention, and individual ears.

You will have noticed how often one human talking to two three other humans, even when they know one another well, results in two taken at random hearing totally different words as well as coming up with different interpretations. We did a nice experiment on that in one of my classes - no two heard the same thing.